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It makes no sense to criticize physicists based on the list of citations 
in my article, which is not written by any physicists.  That's a straw 

If anyone wishes to single out one group as any more guilty than the 
other, we have people on this mailing list with both the scientific 
expertise and data to research pretty well whether or not they are 
especially deserving of blame.

My other points below also remain, but people can read them and agree or 
not.  I do, however, think that we can pick any person on this list and 
find articles by them that miss citations that we think they should have 
cited but that they didn't cite because they didn't know about.  I see no 
need to bring up what anyone did or did not learn in graduate school.  And 
I also think it's counterproductive to direct blame at a specific group of 
people (and I believe that whether or not such blame is merited!).

Also, I have exchanged private e-mails with Jamie, and I believe that he 
and I are in accord and on good terms.

Have a good day,


On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, Martina Morris wrote:

> Just a quick comment on the mea culpa.
> It's surely possible, and indeed necessary if you're writing a review paper 
> of this type, to follow the citation links to/from the literature you're 
> reviewing.  We learn that in graduate school. All of the papers that Jamie 
> mentioned are easily found using standard citation search tools.
> The physicists *do* know about this literature, and do not cite it.  Why they 
> don't is a matter for speculation, but the fact that they don't is a simple 
> fact, and a valid criticism.
> Martina

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