***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** RE: [SOCNET] what the ??

HI – Recall, these authoritative social graph references are from Wikipedia.

Note that Wikipedia has 11,454 words for its comprehensive, encyclopedic entry for the May 2013 sequel Iron Man 3.”

The same comprehensive online reference covers the entirety of 16th Century Philosophy in 162 words  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th-century_philosophy

Apparently Gwyneth Paltrow is more important than Francis Bacon.

Another big WTF? You bet. 

-j

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From: John T. Maloney [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Hi - Good to know.

Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph.

Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia

Gee-whiz! I didn't know that.

Of course you should all know --

"One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia

G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day.

Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF.

-j

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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail-1--53745179 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Ha! Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data sets! At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! ;-) Valdis On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Hi - Good to know. > > Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. > > Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia > > Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. > > Of course you should all know -- > > "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia > > > G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day. > > > Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. 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Ha!

Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data sets!

At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet!

;-)

Valdis


On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote:

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** RE: [SOCNET] what the ??

Hi - Good to know.

Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph.

Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia

Gee-whiz! I didn't know that.

Of course you should all know --

"One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia


G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day.


Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF.

-j

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"*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies."

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full


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Comments: To: Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_bwqbardpelojtv2jj914y2751371244401033emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in study of human behavior? Besides the claim of physicists fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, particularly at the individual level? Just asking? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Ha! Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data sets! At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! ;-) Valdis On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi - Good to know. Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. Of course you should all know -- "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day. Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF. -j -----Original Message----- From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barry Wellman Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:48 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** "*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies." http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 ________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in study of human behavior?  Besides the claim of physicists fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, particularly at the individual level? Just asking?

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Ha!

Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data sets!

At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet!

;-)

Valdis


On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote:

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Hi - Good to know.

Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph.

Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia

Gee-whiz! I didn't know that.

Of course you should all know --

"One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia


G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day.


Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF.

-j

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"*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies."

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full


   Barry Wellman

  _______________________________________________________________________

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   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building

   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6

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   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman

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Hi – From 1st hand personal knowledge from CERN in the early 1990s I can tell you with confidence that the genesis of the WWW was specifically in response to the behavioral challenges faced by top physicists to collaborate, to share or even cooperate. Thus, the WWW was an unintended consequence of the idiosyncratic personalities and unique behaviors of a large group of  theoretical physicists working in labs in Switzerland. Maybe that’s one thing that qualifies for something, “…they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior…” Or not.  -j

 

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But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in study of human behavior?  Besides the claim of physicists fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, particularly at the individual level? Just asking?

 

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Comments: To: "Johnson, Jeffrey C" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Good question, Jeff. However, whenever in the past structuralists like Bruce Mayhew were addressing exactly the same question to individualists, some social networkers seemed to be at least unconcerned (if not overtly averse). Why then should a physicist be convinced to endorse the idea that social networks is just the science of the individual? --Moses On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Johnson, Jeffrey C <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in > study of human behavior? Besides the claim of physicists > fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have > they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, > particularly at the individual level? Just asking? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Ha! > > Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data > sets! > > At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! > > ;-) > > Valdis > > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Hi - Good to know. > > Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. > > Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, > 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was > introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking > advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia > > Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. > > Of course you should all know -- > > "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by > Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard > Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia > > > G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new > every day. > > > Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. 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Thread-Index: AQHOaThnmfQ16xX7nE2pfGFxEok90Zk16eWAgAAIAwD//8ogcIAATTIA///NqFUReferences: <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>,<[log in to unmask]> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_f5kycqrqumwugacoc0cgeafa1371251542973emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions 13-06-14_07:2013-06-14,2013-06-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policyÞfault score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306140237 X-Spam-Level: * X-UFL-Spam-Level: * Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:12:38 +0000 Reply-To: "Johnson, Jeffrey C" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: "Johnson, Jeffrey C" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: what the ?? Comments: To: Moses Boudourides <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_f5kycqrqumwugacoc0cgeafa1371251542973emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Oh I forgot physicists are just interested in things at a large scale, like relativity, and are really not interested in any quantum phenomena. : ) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Moses Boudourides <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Good question, Jeff. However, whenever in the past structuralists like Bruce Mayhew were addressing exactly the same question to individualists, some social networkers seemed to be at least unconcerned (if not overtly averse). Why then should a physicist be convinced to endorse the idea that social networks is just the science of the individual? --Moses On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Johnson, Jeffrey C <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in > study of human behavior? Besides the claim of physicists > fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have > they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, > particularly at the individual level? Just asking? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Ha! > > Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data > sets! > > At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! > > ;-) > > Valdis > > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Hi - Good to know. > > Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. > > Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, > 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was > introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking > advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia > > Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. > > Of course you should all know -- > > "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by > Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard > Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia > > > G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new > every day. > > > Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double > WTF-WTF. > > -j > > -----Original Message----- > From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Barry Wellman > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:48 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [SOCNET] what the ?? > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > "*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of > mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data > sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies." > > http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full > > > Barry Wellman > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director > > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building > > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 > > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman > > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email > message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in > the body of the message. > > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET > is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network > researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Oh I forgot physicists are just interested in things at a large scale, like relativity, and are really not interested in any quantum phenomena. : )

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Moses Boudourides <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Good question, Jeff. However, whenever in the past structuralists like
Bruce Mayhew were addressing exactly the same question to
individualists, some social networkers seemed to be at least
unconcerned (if not overtly averse). Why then should a physicist be
convinced to endorse the idea that social networks is just the science
of the individual? --Moses

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Johnson, Jeffrey C <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
> But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in
> study of human behavior?  Besides the claim of physicists
> fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have
> they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior,
> particularly at the individual level? Just asking?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
>
> Ha!
>
> Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data
> sets!
>
> At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet!
>
> ;-)
>
> Valdis
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote:
>
> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
>
> Hi - Good to know.
>
> Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph.
>
> Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24,
> 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was
> introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking
> advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia
>
> Gee-whiz! I didn't know that.
>
> Of course you should all know --
>
> "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by
> Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard
> Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia
>
>
> G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new
> every day.
>
>
> Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double
> WTF-WTF.
>
> -j
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Barry Wellman
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [SOCNET] what the ??
>
> *****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****
>
> "*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of
> mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data
> sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies."
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full
>
>
>    Barry Wellman
>
>   _______________________________________________________________________
>
>    S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>
>    Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>
>    140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>
>    http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>    NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>
>    MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>
>                   Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
>
>    ________________________________________________________________________
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
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Comments: To: Moses Boudourides <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** hello, i do not think jeff was claiming that social networks is just the science of the individual. it is concerned about both structural matters - structures and evolution etc - and their impacts on individual actions. of course, actor attributes affect networks structure and change. i have often harbored the fantasy of showing up at a physicist convention and asking them about interviewing their molecules. rightly, they would think i was insane. but i would bet they would miss the real point would be that indiviuals are not molecules. pat On 6/15/2013 12:12 AM, Moses Boudourides wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Good question, Jeff. However, whenever in the past structuralists like > Bruce Mayhew were addressing exactly the same question to > individualists, some social networkers seemed to be at least > unconcerned (if not overtly averse). Why then should a physicist be > convinced to endorse the idea that social networks is just the science > of the individual? --Moses > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Johnson, Jeffrey C <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in >> study of human behavior? Besides the claim of physicists >> fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have >> they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, >> particularly at the individual level? Just asking? >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >> >> >> Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> Ha! >> >> Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data >> sets! >> >> At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! >> >> ;-) >> >> Valdis >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: >> >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> Hi - Good to know. >> >> Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. >> >> Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, >> 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was >> introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking >> advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia >> >> Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. >> >> Of course you should all know -- >> >> "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by >> Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard >> Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia >> >> >> G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new >> every day. >> >> >> Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double >> WTF-WTF. >> >> -j >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >> Behalf Of Barry Wellman >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:48 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: [SOCNET] what the ?? >> >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> "*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of >> mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data >> sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies." >> >> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full >> >> >> Barry Wellman >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director >> >> Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building >> >> 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 >> >> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman >> >> NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman >> >> MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 >> >> Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >> SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >> network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Thread-Index: AQHOaUdzR2FcHmK+/0WGDHyE6ZmR9Zk2O2cAgACxZYD//6g0GQ=References: <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>,<[log in to unmask]> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: exhubt01.asurite.ad.asu.edu[129.219.103.40] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1371292412 X-Barracuda-URL: http://129.219.117.248:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at asu.edu X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions 13-06-15_04:2013-06-14,2013-06-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policyÞfault score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306150058 X-Spam-Level: * X-UFL-Spam-Level: * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv-prod01.osg.ufl.edu id r5FAXYUS032560 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:33:31 +0000 Reply-To: Steven Corman <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: Steven Corman <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: what the ?? Comments: To: patrick doreian <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation like this. Steve _____________________ This message was typed by fat thumbs on a teeny-tiny keyboard and may contain spellimg errprz. On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "patrick doreian" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > hello, > i do not think jeff was claiming that social networks is just the science of the individual. it is concerned about both structural matters - structures and evolution etc - and their impacts on individual actions. of course, actor attributes affect networks structure and change. i have often harbored the fantasy of showing up at a physicist convention and asking them about interviewing their molecules. rightly, they would think i was insane. but i would bet they would miss the real point would be that indiviuals are not molecules. > pat > > On 6/15/2013 12:12 AM, Moses Boudourides wrote: >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> Good question, Jeff. However, whenever in the past structuralists like >> Bruce Mayhew were addressing exactly the same question to >> individualists, some social networkers seemed to be at least >> unconcerned (if not overtly averse). Why then should a physicist be >> convinced to endorse the idea that social networks is just the science >> of the individual? --Moses >> >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Johnson, Jeffrey C <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> But what have the physicists contributed to theoretical advancements in >>> study of human behavior? Besides the claim of physicists >>> fathering/mothering the advent of SNA which is flawed st best, what have >>> they done to advance any theoretical explanations of human behavior, >>> particularly at the individual level? Just asking? >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >>> >>> >>> Valdis Krebs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> >>> Ha! >>> >>> Yes, lot of bad info out there... even in Wikipedia, and in those big data >>> sets! >>> >>> At least they are not calling it "social networkING analysis" yet! >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> Valdis >>> >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:20 PM, John T. Maloney wrote: >>> >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> >>> Hi - Good to know. >>> >>> Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. >>> >>> Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, >>> 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was >>> introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking >>> advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia >>> >>> Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. >>> >>> Of course you should all know -- >>> >>> "One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by >>> Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard >>> Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia >>> >>> >>> G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new >>> every day. >>> >>> >>> Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double >>> WTF-WTF. >>> >>> -j >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >>> Behalf Of Barry Wellman >>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:48 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: [SOCNET] what the ?? >>> >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> >>> "*** network science blossomed in the 1990s thanks to the confluence of >>> mathematical tools developed by theoretical physicists *** and huge data >>> sets produced by cell phones, the Internet, and other digital technologies." >>> >>> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6138/1272.full >>> >>> >>> Barry Wellman >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director >>> >>> Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building >>> >>> 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 >>> >>> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman >>> >>> NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman >>> >>> MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 >>> >>> Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >>> network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email >>> message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in >>> the body of the message. >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET >>> is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network >>> researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to >>> [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of >>> the message. >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET >>> is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network >>> researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to >>> [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of >>> the message. >>> _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET >>> is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network >>> researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to >>> [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of >>> the message. >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >> network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send >> an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line >> UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > > > -- > patrick doreian > professor emeritus > department of sociology > 2602 WWPH > university of pittsburgh > pittsburgh, PA 15260 > phone: 412 648 7537 > fax: 412 648 2799 > website: http://patrickdoreian.com > Social Networks > http://ees.elsevier.com/son/default.asp > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Actually, our Wikipedia-based ranking puts Francis Bacon as the 86th most historically significant person, while Gwyneth Paltrow weighs in at only 5,194. Wikipedia gets this ranking right if you interpet the data properly. This is the subject of our forthcoming book "Who's Bigger?: Where Historical Figures Really Rank", soon to be published by Cambridge University Press. For details check out our webpage at www.whoisbigger.com Steven Skiena Dept. of Computer Science Stony Brook University ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? To: [log in to unmask] ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ******* HI – Recall, these authoritative***** social graph*references are from***** Wikipedia*. Note that Wikipedia has* 11,454 words* for its comprehensive, encyclopedic entry for the May 2013 sequel “*****Iron Man****** 3*.” The same comprehensive online reference coversthe entirety of***** 16****** th****** Century Philosophy* in* 162 words*. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th-century_philosophy* Apparently Gwyneth Paltrow is more important than Francis Bacon. Another big WTF? You bet. -j _____________________________________________ *****From:* John T. Maloney [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]> ] *****Sent:* Friday, June 14, 2013 1:21 PM *****To:* [log in to unmask] *****Subject:* RE: [SOCNET] what the ?? Hi - Good to know. Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph. Social graph* "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals*." -*Wikipedia* Gee-whiz! I didn't know that. Of course* you* should all know -- *"One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website."* -*Wikipedia*** G-o-l-l-y*, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise!* It’s fun learning something new every day. Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF. -j -----Original Message----- From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [[log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. --001a11c37aaa7690e804df30a343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

Apparently Gwyneth Paltrow is more important than Francis Bacon.

Actually, our Wikipedia-based ranking puts Francis Bacon as the 86th most historically significant person, while Gwyneth Paltrow weighs in at only 5,194.   Wikipedia gets this ranking right if you interpet the data properly.

This is the subject of our forthcoming book "Who's Bigger?: Where Historical Figures Really Rank", soon to be published by Cambridge University Press.   For details check out our webpage at www.whoisbigger.com

Steven Skiena
Dept. of Computer Science
Stony Brook University


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From: John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??
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***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

HI – Recall, these authoritative social graphreferences are from Wikipedia.

Note that Wikipedia has 11,454 words for its comprehensive, encyclopedic entry for the May 2013 sequel “Iron Man 3

The same comprehensive online reference coversthe entirety of 16th Century Philosophy in 162 words  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th-century_philosophy

Apparently Gwyneth Paltrow is more important than Francis Bacon.

Another big WTF? You bet. 

-j

_____________________________________________
From: John T. Maloney [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 1:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [SOCNET] what the ??

Hi - Good to know.

Remember, too, Facebook invented the social graph.

Social graph "...was popularized at the Facebook f8 conference on May 24, 2007, when it was used to explain that the Facebook Platform, which was introduced at the same time, would benefit from the social graph by taking advantage of the relationships between individuals." -Wikipedia

Gee-whiz! I didn't know that.

Of course you should all know --

"One of the earliest known forms of the social graph was created in 2002 by Harvard student Philippe Bouzaglou in a paper published on the Harvard Department of Economics website." -Wikipedia

G-o-l-l-y, Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise! It’s fun learning something new every day.

Let’s be sure to give credit where credit is due. These deserve the double WTF-WTF.

-j

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Yet, it would be futile to question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it famous and known to the wider public (for better or worse). Best regards, -- Laszlo --.-- GULYÁS, László Ph.D. Head of Division Intelligent Applications and Web Services AITIA International, Inc. 2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > I just sent this comment to Science > > Science 14 June 2013: > Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272 > DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.1272 > > Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came lately to the > field in the 1990s. By the 1970s, social network analysis had a > professional society with 700 members and a lively annual conference in > the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were > done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or worse. The > key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and > computational ability to analyze them. > > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---2140889087-893765312-1371310622=:38268061 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** where it belongs Tas Lanous @taslanous 4h @SMEasterbrook @barrywellman @NAChristakis hehe really sorry guys! did not mean to disrespect your scientific church! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal) … 6:46 AM - 15 Jun 13 · Details Tweet text Reply to @taslanous @SMEasterbrook @NAChristakis by Barry Wellman Barry Wellman ?@barrywellman .@taslanous @NAChristakis This "church" comment suggests you did and are. My take: physicists have erected an ahistorical walled garden Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. 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To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. ---2140889087-893765312-1371310622=:38268061-- ========================================================================Received: by LISTS.UFL.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 9020867 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:12:13 -0400 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod04.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.220]) by listserv-prod01.osg.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/2.3.0) with ESMTP id r5FICDsC029499 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:12:13 -0400 X-UFL-GatorLink-Authenticated: authenticated as () with from 130.115.2.118 Received: from edge01.eur.nl (edge01.eur.nl [130.115.2.118]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id r5FICB2P022441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher®S128-SHA bits8 verify=NOT) for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:12:12 -0400 Received: from STFF-HT02.staff.eur.nl (130.115.48.81) by edge01.eur.nl (130.115.2.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:11:45 +0200 Received: from STFF-MB02.staff.eur.nl ([fe80::5089:6d9b:2d3a:9a36]) by STFF-HT02.staff.eur.nl ([fe80::44dc:6aeb:1bb8:504e%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:12:09 +0200 Thread-Topic: xkcd's take Thread-Index: AQHOad0c+S7rfpdcnkGSTJUB0voHKpk3CbgA References: <[log in to unmask]> Accept-Language: en-GB, nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [82.168.200.110] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions 13-06-15_05:2013-06-14,2013-06-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policyÞfault score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306150202 X-Spam-Level: * X-UFL-Spam-Level: * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv-prod01.osg.ufl.edu id r5FICDsC029499 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:12:09 +0000 Reply-To: Otto Koppius <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: Otto Koppius <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: xkcd's take In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Barry/Nick reminded us of XKCD's take on the physics takeover (http://xkcd.com/793/), but as a (former) graph theorist I couldn't help thinking of this one as well: http://xkcd.com/435/ :) Cheers, Otto PS On a slightly more serious note, and as much as I am in the Socnet-camp in this debate, I find the physics-bashing that occurs on Socnet every now and then just as off-putting as physicists' ignorance of other fields. Setting aside the fact that many social network researchers are probably no saints either when it comes to acknowledging other disciplines (there are exceptions of course, just like there are with physicists), it blinds people from seeing many useful advances that *are* being made in physics (and computer science for that matter). Models of citation networks and co-authorship networks have increased our understanding of the sociology of science, the many advances in community detection algorithms can be used for the study of groups, physicists have developed useful models of human mobility and crowd dynamics etc. etc. etc. There *is* a lot of good stuff out there. -- Dr.ir. Otto Koppius Dept. of Decision and Information Sciences (T9-08) Rotterdam School of Management Erasmus University PO Box 1738 3000 DR Rotterdam The Netherlands T: +31(0)10.408.2250 F: +31(0).10.408.9010 E: [log in to unmask] Disclaimer ________________________________ De informatie verzonden in dit e-mail bericht inclusief de bijlage(n) is vertrouwelijk en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde van dit bericht. Lees verder: www.eur.nl/email-disclaimer The information in this e-mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. Read more: www.eur.nl/english/email-disclaimer ________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. ========================================================================Received: by LISTS.UFL.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 9022599 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:57:47 -0400 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.218]) by listserv-prod01.osg.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/2.3.0) with ESMTP id r5FKvkJu028467 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:57:46 -0400 X-UFL-GatorLink-Authenticated: authenticated as () with from 193.109.254.118 Received: from mail1.bemta14.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta14.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.118]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id r5FKvimK025819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits%6 verify=NOT) for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:57:46 -0400 Received: from [193.109.255.147:54059] by server-14.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 77/23-02181-745DCB15; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:57:43 +0000 X-Env-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1371329863!13399262!1 X-Originating-IP: [131.227.200.35] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.6; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24483 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2013 20:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EXHT021P.surrey.ac.uk) (131.227.200.35) by server-10.tower-72.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 20:57:43 -0000 Received: from EXMB03CMS.surrey.ac.uk ([169.254.1.13]) by EXHT021P.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.200.35]) with mapi; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:57:42 +0100 Thread-Topic: xkcd's take Thread-Index: AQHOad0c+S7rfpdcnkGSTJUB0voHKpk3CbgAgAAwXyAReferences: <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions 13-06-15_07:2013-06-14,2013-06-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policyÞfault score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1306150244 X-Spam-Level: * X-UFL-Spam-Level: * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv-prod01.osg.ufl.edu id r5FKvkJu028467 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:57:40 +0100 Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: xkcd's take Comments: To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Very nice communication by Otto - about saints, sin, and Socnet $B!D(B I would like to add a few more challenges ? more discussion on the heterogeneity of these networks, the diversity of actors$B!G(B attributes, the impact of context on actor$B!G(Bs attributes and on the structure itself (including institutional context and media framing) $B!D(B Reductionism exists in all field of science, and reducing behavioural choices and relationships to $B!F(Byes$B!G(B and $B!F(Bno$B!G(B; like /dislike $B!D(B leaves the door wide-open to physicists, mathematicians $B!D(B there are some excellent simulations of complex behavioural systems of $B!F(Btraffic$B!G(B agents, investors, business actors and others - that make decisions and strategic choices resulting in congestions, agglomerations, point-to-point connectivity, resource flows, transaction chains $B!D(B So what are the territorial boundaries of Socnet and what is the meaning of these boundaries$B!D(B :) Dr. Emanuela Todeva Senior Lecturer in Strategy and International Business BCNED - Business Clusters, Networks and Economic Development http://www.surrey.ac.uk/bcned Surrey Business School - 64MS03 University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, GU27XH, UK e-mail: [log in to unmask] tel: +44(0)1483 68 2056 View my research at: http://ssrn.com/author24332 $BTm(B $B@c(B -----Original Message----- From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Otto Koppius Sent: 15 June 2013 19:12 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: xkcd's take ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Barry/Nick reminded us of XKCD's take on the physics takeover (http://xkcd.com/793/), but as a (former) graph theorist I couldn't help thinking of this one as well: http://xkcd.com/435/ :) Cheers, Otto PS On a slightly more serious note, and as much as I am in the Socnet-camp in this debate, I find the physics-bashing that occurs on Socnet every now and then just as off-putting as physicists' ignorance of other fields. Setting aside the fact that many social network researchers are probably no saints either when it comes to acknowledging other disciplines (there are exceptions of course, just like there are with physicists), it blinds people from seeing many useful advances that *are* being made in physics (and computer science for that matter). Models of citation networks and co-authorship networks have increased our understanding of the sociology of science, the many advances in community detection algorithms can be used for the study of groups, physicists have developed useful models of human mobility and crowd dynamics etc. etc. etc. There *is* a lot of good stuff out there. -- Dr.ir. Otto Koppius Dept. of Decision and Information Sciences (T9-08) Rotterdam School of Management Erasmus University PO Box 1738 3000 DR Rotterdam The Netherlands T: +31(0)10.408.2250 F: +31(0).10.408.9010 E: [log in to unmask] Disclaimer ________________________________ De informatie verzonden in dit e-mail bericht inclusief de bijlage(n) is vertrouwelijk en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde van dit bericht. Lees verder: www.eur.nl/email-disclaimer The information in this e-mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. Read more: www.eur.nl/english/email-disclaimer ________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: "John T. Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: what the ?? Comments: To: Steven Corman <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CE69E2.3CBD3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi - ". it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation." Yes, that would be great. Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, please correct the ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia 'social graph' entry first. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the world." - Wikipedia Correction, and to paraphrase Bob Dylan, "The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the Stellar Wind." These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience, perseverance, rigor and scholarship. There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution! The whole world is watching. Cordially, -j -----Original Message----- From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Corman Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:34 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation like this. Steve _____________________ This message was typed by fat thumbs on a teeny-tiny keyboard and may contain spellimg errprz. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CE69E2.3CBD3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** RE: [SOCNET] what the ??

Hi -

        "… it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation…"

Yes, that would be great.

Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, please correct the  ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia 'social graph' entry first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

Correction, and to paraphrase Bob Dylan, "The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the Stellar Wind."

These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience, perseverance, rigor and scholarship.

There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution!

The whole world is watching.

Cordially,

-j

 

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*****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****

Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation like this.

Steve

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Comments: To: "John T. Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --047d7b2e4384df092104df4060a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I use this little tidbit when I intro networks in a class, or at cocktail parties. "I study social networks. Facebook did not invent them. Humans did 20000 years ago or so." J On Sunday, June 16, 2013, John T. Maloney wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** ** > > Hi - > > * "…**** it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct > misinformation**…"*** > > Yes, that would be great. > > Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or > Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, > please correct the ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia* 'social graph'* entry > first. > > *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph* > > At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or theintestinal fortitude to correct > claims like this one in Wikipedia: > > "*Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset > in the** ** world*."* -**** Wikipedia*** > > Correction, and to paraphrase* Bob Dylan*, "*The answer, my friend, is > blowin' in the Stellar Wind**.**"* > > These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience,perseverance,rigor and scholarship. > > There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution! > > The whole world is watching. > > Cordially, > > -j > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask][log in to unmask]);>] > On Behalf Of Steven Corman > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:34 AM > To: [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]);> > Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct > misinformation like this. > > Steve > > _____________________ > > This message was typed by fat thumbs on a teeny-tiny keyboard and may > contain spellimg errprz. > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email > message to [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]);> containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the > body of the message. -- excuse brevity and typing errors...the screen is very very small _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. --047d7b2e4384df092104df4060a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I use this little tidbit when I intro networks in a class, or at cocktail parties. 

"I study social networks.  Facebook did not invent them.  Humans did 20000 years ago or so."

J

On Sunday, June 16, 2013, John T. Maloney wrote:
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Hi -

        it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation…"

Yes, that would be great.

Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, please correct the  ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia 'social graph' entry first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

Correction, and to paraphrase Bob Dylan, "The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the Stellar Wind."

These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience, perseverance, rigor and scholarship.

There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution!

The whole world is watching.

Cordially,

-j

 

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Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation like this.

Steve

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Watts book six degrees was part of this popularity and it is half about human behavior. 2 the title six degrees resonated as it was embedded in the vulture ever since Milgram in the 1950s, boosted by the the John Guare play from the 1980s...turned into a film with Will smith. So, as to the wider public, it is possible the interest in SNA was stoked by many non physicist influences. Jordi On Saturday, June 15, 2013, "Gulyás, László" wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Dear Barry and All, > > I think no one really questions that SNA existed before the arrival of the > statistical physics approach to the field. Yet, it would be futile to > question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it famous and known > to the wider public (for better or worse). > > Best regards, > > -- Laszlo > --.-- > GULYÁS, László Ph.D. > Head of Division > Intelligent Applications and Web Services > AITIA International, Inc. > > 2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta: > >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> I just sent this comment to Science >> >> Science 14 June 2013: >> Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272 >> DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.**1272 >> >> Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came lately to the >> field in the 1990s. By the 1970s, social network analysis had a >> professional society with 700 members and a lively annual conference in >> the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were >> done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or worse. The >> key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and >> computational ability to analyze them. >> >> >> Barry Wellman >> ______________________________**______________________________** >> ___________ >> >> S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director >> Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building >> 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 >> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~**wellman twitter: @barrywellman >> >> NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman >> MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 >> Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 >> ______________________________**______________________________** >> ____________ >> >> ______________________________**______________________________**_________ >> SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >> network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send >> an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line >> UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. >> > > ______________________________**______________________________**_________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > -- excuse brevity and typing errors...the screen is very very small _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. --bcaec520f7d5e454c404df408252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I don't have any data on popularity, but two tilts at the windmill here:

1. Watts book six degrees was part of this popularity and it is half about human behavior.
2 the title six degrees resonated as it was embedded in the vulture ever since Milgram in the 1950s, boosted by the the John Guare play from the 1980s...turned into a film with Will smith.

So, as to the wider public, it is possible the interest in SNA was stoked by many non physicist influences. 

Jordi

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Dear Barry and All,

I think no one really questions that SNA existed before the arrival of the statistical physics approach to the field. Yet, it would be futile to question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it famous and known to the wider public (for better or worse).

Best regards,

-- Laszlo
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GULYÁS, László Ph.D.
Head of Division
Intelligent Applications and Web Services
AITIA International, Inc.

2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta:
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I just sent this comment to Science

Science 14 June 2013:
Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272
DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.1272

Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came lately to the
field in the 1990s.  By the 1970s, social network analysis had a
professional society with 700 members and a lively annual conference in
the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were
done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or worse. The
key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and
computational ability to analyze them.


   Barry Wellman
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   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
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   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --_1cdf442e-8dd5-4e6c-a52e-c0582be09630_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I'm not a real expert in citation networks, but I did a little project of scientific communities, which was recently published in Social Networks 34 (2012) p, 215– 229 (as a note, I didn't use ERGM models, although I find them fascinating. This is for the comment on twitter that social networks only publishes ERGM. May I also point out that my previous article published in Social Networks was a qualitative study of 23 egonetworks. Again not exactly ERGM). For that study, I did my homework, and read the literature about scientific communities and citation/co-authorships networks. It didn't take a Ph.d to notice immediately that there is a long tradition of studies starting for Diana Crane, Invisible Colleges, and build up through the work of Carley, Burt, Breiger, Batagelj, Lazega, just to name few. They also bridge the "boundaries" by referring to the main schools of sociology of science (not exactly network related), And there are also citations to the work of Barabasi (obviously, in the recent papers...), and Brandes (hey, that's computer science!). Nice examples of this scientific tradition, that builds upon previous work no matter which discipline or school of thought comes from, are these two articles (only examples, not obviously exhaustive of the debate)- Brian V. Carolan, The structure of educational research: The role of multivocality in promoting cohesion in an article interlock network, Social Networks 30 (2008) 69–82- Clara Calero-Medina, Ed C.M. Noyons, Combining mapping and citation network analysis for a betterunderstanding of the scientific development: The case of the absorptive capacity field, Journal of Informetrics 2 (2008) 272–279 Note: they are both fairly recent, one is published in SN, the other elsewhere. THEN I started reading articles like those:Marco Tomassini, Leslie Luthi, Empirical analysis of the evolution of a scientific collaboration network, Physica A 385 (2007) 750–764Mingyang Wanga, Guang Yua, Daren Yua, Effect of the age of papers on the preferential attachment incitation networks, Physica A 388 (2009) 42734276 Note: they are both fairly recent, and they are both published in Physica A Now you guys do your homework, and read the references of these last two articles. And then answer the question: who is building boundaries? As a final note, I have to admit I have been a sin. I was annoyed by the last two, so I did not quote them in my paper. Apologies to the physicists. Elisa BellottiMitchell Centre for Social Network AnaslysisUniversity of [log in to unmask] Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 03:34:33 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] werent only the physicists To: [log in to unmask] ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I don't have any data on popularity, but two tilts at the windmill here: 1. Watts book six degrees was part of this popularity and it is half about human behavior.2 the title six degrees resonated as it was embedded in the vulture ever since Milgram in the 1950s, boosted by the the John Guare play from the 1980s...turned into a film with Will smith. So, as to the wider public, it is possible the interest in SNA was stoked by many non physicist influences. Jordi On Saturday, June 15, 2013, "Gulyás, László" wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Dear Barry and All, I think no one really questions that SNA existed before the arrival of the statistical physics approach to the field. Yet, it would be futile to question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it famous and known to the wider public (for better or worse). Best regards, -- Laszlo --.-- GULYÁS, László Ph.D. Head of Division Intelligent Applications and Web Services AITIA International, Inc. 2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I just sent this comment to Science Science 14 June 2013: Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272 DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.1272 Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came lately to the field in the 1990s. By the 1970s, social network analysis had a professional society with 700 members and a lively annual conference in the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or worse. The key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and computational ability to analyze them. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 ________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. -- excuse brevity and typing errors...the screen is very very small _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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I'm not a real expert in citation networks, but I did a little project of scientific communities, which was recently published in Social Networks  34 (2012) p, 215– 229 (as a note, I didn't use ERGM models, although I find them fascinating. This is for the comment on twitter that social networks only publishes ERGM. May I also point out that my previous article published in Social Networks was a qualitative study of 23 egonetworks. Again not exactly ERGM).

For that study, I did my homework, and read the literature about scientific communities and citation/co-authorships networks. It didn't take a Ph.d to notice immediately that there is a long tradition of studies starting for Diana Crane, Invisible Colleges, and build up through the work of Carley, Burt, Breiger, Batagelj, Lazega, just to name few. They also bridge the "boundaries" by referring to the main schools of sociology of science (not exactly network related), And there are also citations to the work of Barabasi (obviously, in the recent papers...), and Brandes (hey, that's computer science!).

Nice examples of this scientific tradition, that builds upon previous work no matter which discipline or school of thought comes from, are these two articles (only examples, not obviously exhaustive of the debate)
- Brian V. Carolan, The structure of educational research: The role of multivocality in promoting cohesion in an article interlock network, Social Networks 30 (2008) 69–82
- Clara Calero-Medina, Ed C.M. Noyons, Combining mapping and citation network analysis for a better
understanding of the scientific development: The case of the absorptive capacity field, Journal of Informetrics 2 (2008) 272–279

Note: they are both fairly recent, one is published in SN, the other elsewhere.

THEN I started reading articles like those:
Marco Tomassini, Leslie Luthi, Empirical analysis of the evolution of a scientific collaboration network, Physica A 385 (2007) 750–764
Mingyang Wanga, Guang Yua, Daren Yua, Effect of the age of papers on the preferential attachment in
citation networks, Physica A 388 (2009) 42734276

Note: they are both fairly recent, and they are both published in Physica A

Now you guys do your homework, and read the references of these last two articles. And then answer the question: who is building boundaries?

As a final note, I have to admit I have been a sin. I was annoyed by the last two, so I did not quote them in my paper. 
Apologies to the physicists.


Elisa Bellotti
Mitchell Centre for Social Network Anaslysis
University of Manchester


Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 03:34:33 -0400
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***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I don't have any data on popularity, but two tilts at the windmill here:

1. Watts book six degrees was part of this popularity and it is half about human behavior.
2 the title six degrees resonated as it was embedded in the vulture ever since Milgram in the 1950s, boosted by the the John Guare play from the 1980s...turned into a film with Will smith.

So, as to the wider public, it is possible the interest in SNA was stoked by many non physicist influences. 

Jordi

On Saturday, June 15, 2013, "Gulyás, László" wrote:
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Dear Barry and All,

I think no one really questions that SNA existed before the arrival of the statistical physics approach to the field. Yet, it would be futile to question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it famous and known to the wider public (for better or worse).

Best regards,

-- Laszlo
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2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta:
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I just sent this comment to Science

Science 14 June 2013:
Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272
DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.1272

Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came lately to the
field in the 1990s.  By the 1970s, social network analysis had a
professional society with 700 members and a lively annual conference in
the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were
done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or worse. The
key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and
computational ability to analyze them.


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In summary, do you think that making more clear the distinction between social networks and online (or web/internet) social networks would be enough to clarify this particular misconception ? Or may be I am missing something and the debate has deeper implications? Thanks, Denis Parra, PhD(c) www.sis.pitt.edu/~dparra/ On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** ** > > Hi - > > * "…**** it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct > misinformation**…"*** > > Yes, that would be great. > > Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or > Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, > please correct the ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia* 'social graph'* entry > first. > > *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph* > > At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or theintestinal fortitude to correct > claims like this one in Wikipedia: > > "*Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset > in the** ** world*."* -**** Wikipedia*** > > Correction, and to paraphrase* Bob Dylan*, "*The answer, my friend, is > blowin' in the Stellar Wind**.**"* > > These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience,perseverance,rigor and scholarship. > > There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution! > > The whole world is watching. > > Cordially, > > -j > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>] > On Behalf Of Steven Corman > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:34 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Keep in mind that it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct > misinformation like this. > > Steve > > _____________________ > > This message was typed by fat thumbs on a teeny-tiny keyboard and may > contain spellimg errprz. > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Hi, 

I am a PhD(c) in Information Science and I am following this discussion on misconceptions in SNA, the role of physicists in the popularity of SNA, etc. Sounds very interesting, since in my area we are used to work on the crossroads of several disciplines.

I wonder what you think about this correction to the Wikipedia entry regarding facebook: 
      "Facebook's social graph is the largest ONLINE social network dataset in the   world." -Wikipedia

... which might be still wrong (I don't have the reference now, but I remember reading a report claiming that Sina-Weibo is the largest ONLINE social network), but I guess you can get the point. In summary, do you think that making more clear the distinction between social networks and online (or web/internet) social networks would be enough to clarify this particular misconception ? Or may be I am missing something and the debate has deeper implications?

Thanks,

Denis Parra, PhD(c)
www.sis.pitt.edu/~dparra/


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Hi -

        "… it is possible to correct Wikipedia entries to correct misinformation…"

Yes, that would be great.

Does anyone know an eager grad student(s), SOCNET member, SNA scholar or Sun Belt delegation that would like to tackle this assignment? If yes, please correct the  ridiculous claims in the Wikipedia 'social graph' entry first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_graph

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

Correction, and to paraphrase Bob Dylan, "The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the Stellar Wind."

These misstatements and inaccuracies need to be corrected with patience, perseverance, rigor and scholarship.

There is no more noble SOCNET community contribution!

The whole world is watching.

Cordially,

-j

 

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Dear all

 

Registration for the 10th Conference on Applications of Social Network Analysis (ASNA 13) taking place at the University of Zurich, August 29th-30th 2013 (Workshops on August 27th and 28th) is now open. Please visit www.asna.ch

 

Evan if you are not a paper giver, you may wish to attend the sessions and key notes. The program is online.

 

Before the conference, we offer two days of SNA training in workshops given by some of the most outstanding specialists in the field. Also, we are extremely happy to welcome Prof. James Fowler for a keynote speach.

 

More details of the conference can be found on www.asna.ch.

We would be very happy if you would join us for the 10 years' celebration!

 

For the organizing committee

Manuel

 

Keynote presentation on August 30th, 2013

James Fowler, Professor of Medical Genetics and Political Science at the University of California, San Diego

Big Data and Big Experiments with Millions of People

James Fowler will discuss several observational and experimental studies we have been doing using Twitter and Facebook data. This work uses new methods to (1) get voters to the polls on a massive scale, (2) predict which pieces of information will go viral, (3) turn "likes" into a measure of political ideology, (4) test a 40 year old theory on the strength of weak ties using employment data, and (5) measure the transmission of emotion online using rainfall.

 

Workshops on August 27th and 28th, 2013

 

 Introduction to SNA by Thomas Friemel, UZurich

 Advanced Applications of SNA by Filip Agneessens, UGroningen

 SIENA by Johan Koskinen, UOxford

 visone by Ulrik Brandes, UKonstanz

 ERGM by Skyler Cranmer, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

 DNA by Philip Leifeld, EAWAG / UKonstanz

 

 

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Manuel Fischer, PhD

Post-doc researcher

Department of Environmental Social Sciences (ESS)

Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science and Technology (Eawag)

Überlandstrasse 133

8600 Dübendorf

Switzerland

 

New book: Entscheidungsstrukturen in der Schweizer Politik zu Beginn des 21. Jahrhunderts.

New article: Europeanization and the inclusive strategies of state executives. Journal of European Public Policy (online first).

 

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But, please, remember that Watts was an applied mathematician, more into the physics camp, originally. (And Strogatz, for that matter, still is.) Watts was studying synchronized oscillators when he came about the whole network issue. :-) On the other hand, the "six degrees" indeed had a major popular impact, but that was in the sixties and quite diluted by the time "the new wave of SNA" appeared. Which is, for that matter, quite more than the small average distances is graphs. :-) My 2 cents, -- Laszlo --.-- GULYÁS, László Ph.D. Head of Division Intelligent Applications and Web Services AITIA International, Inc. 2013.06.16. 9:34 keltezéssel, Jordi Comas írta: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I don't have any > data on popularity, but two tilts at the windmill here: > > 1. Watts book six degrees was part of this popularity and it is half > about human behavior. > 2 the title six degrees resonated as it was embedded in the vulture ever > since Milgram in the 1950s, boosted by the the John Guare play from the > 1980s...turned into a film with Will smith. > > So, as to the wider public, it is possible the interest in SNA was > stoked by many non physicist influences. > > Jordi > > On Saturday, June 15, 2013, "Gulyás, László" wrote: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Dear Barry and All, > > I think no one really questions that SNA existed before the arrival > of the statistical physics approach to the field. Yet, it would be > futile to question that it was the physicists' arrival that made it > famous and known to the wider public (for better or worse). > > Best regards, > > -- Laszlo > --.-- > GULYÁS, László Ph.D. > Head of Division > Intelligent Applications and Web Services > AITIA International, Inc. > > 2013.06.14. 21:53 keltezéssel, Barry Wellman írta: > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > I just sent this comment to Science > > Science 14 June 2013: > Vol. 340 no. 6138 pp. 1272-1272 > DOI:10.1126/science.340.6138.__1272 > > Network analysis blossomed well before the physicists came > lately to the > field in the 1990s. By the 1970s, social network analysis had a > professional society with 700 members and a lively annual > conference in > the U.S. or Europe. Much good research, theorizing and methods were > done, resulting in the current NSA activity, for better or > worse. The > key as you note, was the recent development of big data sets and > computational ability to analyze them. > > > Barry Wellman > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab > Director > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell > Building > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto > Canada M5S 3G6 > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~__wellman > twitter: > @barrywellman > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & > Barry Wellman > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for > social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Alas, deadline is coming up fast (abstracts due this Friday). dl ____________________________________________________________ ACM CONFERENCE ON ONLINE SOCIAL NETWORKS (COSN'13) OCTOBER 7-8, 2013 BOSTON, USA. http://cosn.acm.org/ With well over a billion people as members, today's online social networks (OSN) pervade all aspects of our daily lives. OSNs have grown beyond platforms for social communication and news dissemination, to indispensable tools for professional networking, social recommendations, and online content curation. Their usage has influenced today's societal and cultural issues, and changed the way we see ourselves and communicate with each other. Not surprisingly, study and research in OSNs is highly interdisciplinary, and participants include researchers from networking and systems, databases and data mining, security and privacy, and modeling and analysis. For a number of years, researchers have published in disparate venues focused in their own areas, and have lacked a common platform to congregate and exchange ideas. This has limited communication between like-minded researchers, and led to repeated and sometimes conflicting results across disjoint venues. The COSN (Conference on Online Social Networks) is organized with this challenge in mind. Our goal is to provide a premier publication venue that features high quality research from academia and industry across multiple disciplines focused around the study of OSNs. Of particular interest are works that focus on systems, security and privacy, graphs, data management, analysis, and data mining. We solicit papers in broad areas relevant to the design, analysis and development of OSNs. ____________________________________________________________ David Lazer *(pronounced as if it were Lazar) * Professor of Political Science and Computer and Information Science, Northeastern University Co-Director, NULab for Texts, Maps, and Networks Director, Program on Networked Governance, Harvard University CHECK OUT: VisPolitics.com Virtual identities: davidlazer.com twitter.com/davidlazer blogs.iq.harvard.edu/netgov/ http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=gMndACUAAAAJ&hl=en http://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Lazer/ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Many of you will find this conference we are hosting at Northeastern this Fall of interest-- should be fun, and would be great to have a robust contingent of socnetters.  Alas, deadline is coming up fast (abstracts due this Friday).  dl
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ACM CONFERENCE ON ONLINE SOCIAL NETWORKS (COSN'13) OCTOBER 7-8, 2013 BOSTON, USA.

http://cosn.acm.org/

With well over a billion people as members, today's online social networks (OSN) pervade all aspects of our daily lives. OSNs have grown beyond platforms for social communication and news dissemination, to indispensable tools for professional networking, social recommendations, and online content curation. Their usage has influenced today's societal and cultural issues, and changed the way we see ourselves and communicate with each other.

Not surprisingly, study and research in OSNs is highly interdisciplinary, and participants include researchers from networking and systems, databases and data mining, security and privacy, and modeling and analysis. For a number of years, researchers have published in disparate venues focused in their own areas, and have lacked a common platform to congregate and exchange ideas. This has limited communication between like-minded researchers, and led to repeated and sometimes conflicting results across disjoint venues.

The COSN (Conference on Online Social Networks) is organized with this challenge in mind. Our goal is to provide a premier publication venue that features high quality research from academia and industry across multiple disciplines focused around the study of OSNs. Of particular interest are works that focus on systems, security and privacy, graphs, data management, analysis, and data mining. We solicit papers in broad areas relevant to the design, analysis and development of OSNs.

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David Lazer (pronounced as if it were Lazar)

Professor of Political Science and Computer and Information Science, Northeastern University
Co-Director, NULab for Texts, Maps, and Networks
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Best selected papers will be published in one of the following special issues: + International Journal of New Computer Architectures and their Applications (IJNCAA) + International Journal of Digital Information and Wireless Communications (IJDIWC) + International Journal of E-Entrepreneurship and Innovation (IJEEI) + International Journal of Web-Based Learning and Teaching Technologies (IJWLTT) + International Journal of Knowledge and Learning (IJKL) + Journal of Higher Education + International Journal of Technology and Educational Marketing (IJTEM) + International Journal of E-Services and Mobile Applications (IJESMA) Important Dates =============Submission Deadline : Aug. 05, 2013 Notification of acceptance: 4 weeks from the date of submitting the paper or Sept. 05, 2013 Camera Ready submission : Sept. 15, 2013 Registration : Sept. 15, 2013 Conference dates : Sept. 23- 25, 2013 _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Comments: To: "John T. Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --001a11c2ace02aeb5d04df7d219b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi, > At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or theintestinal fortitude to correct > claims like this one in Wikipedia: > > "*Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset > in the** ** world*."* -**** Wikipedia*** > > I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it? Best, Bruno ******************************************* Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com Email: [log in to unmask] ******************************************* _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Hi,
 
At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

Best,

Bruno

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Comments: To: Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --001a11c1bfaa14645604df7de607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them. I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you *all* know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active. Ciao, David On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Hi, > > >> At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or theintestinal fortitude to correct >> claims like this one in Wikipedia: >> >> "*Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset >> in the** ** world*."* -**** Wikipedia*** >> >> I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can > you point me to it? > > Best, > > Bruno > > ******************************************* > Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD > Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com > Email: [log in to unmask] > ******************************************* > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Bruno - I had the same reaction.  On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them.

I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown.  In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph".  Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time.  However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year.  With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward.  But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active.
Ciao,
David


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Hi,
 
At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

Best,

Bruno

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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** All, While I think discussions about lexical definitions and about "size" are usually not very interesting, I do think that the Wikipedia page on "Social graph" is really peculiar: - It seems that "social graph" is nothing else but the name of the network dataset assembled by Facebook to run its services. As such, to me the term "social graph" is to "social network" in the same way like "FarmVille" to "Agriculture". - The claim that "social graph" was first used by Philippe Bouzaglou in 2002 (in some unidentified paper) sounds ridiculous. On Wikipedia there is no link to that paper and I was not able to find it myself. I think the main policy of Wikipedia is that it should contain information and facts *documented* in concrete sources. I think this is not case here. I like David's the idea of using ngrams. Its informative to have a look at a chart comparing "social network" to "social graph". You can use the link below. http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csocial+graph&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share Best, Michal On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, David Lockhart <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he > may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble > getting access to them. > > I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook > popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my > eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and > "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to > be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social > graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which > finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from > 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the > spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I > suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the > corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there > are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the > continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 > hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement > that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive > noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or > putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a > bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of > usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term > sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain > active. > Ciao, > David > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: >> >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> Hi, >> >>> >>> At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the >>> intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: >>> >>> "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in >>> the world." - Wikipedia >> >> I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can >> you point me to it? >> >> Best, >> >> Bruno >> >> ******************************************* >> Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD >> Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> ******************************************* >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >> network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email >> message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in >> the body of the message. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET > is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network > researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: "John T. Maloney" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: what the ?? Comments: To: Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CE6CC1.99F12A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Have you already ‘found’ Facebook? http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/24/my-precious-social-graph/ Can you point me to it? 1. WWW. 2. Stellar Wind. 3. Humanity. -j From: Bruno Goncalves [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53 AM To: John T. Maloney Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? Hi, At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the world." - Wikipedia I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it? Best, Bruno ******************************************* Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com Email: [log in to unmask] ******************************************* _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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         I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset.

 

Have you already ‘found’ Facebook?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/24/my-precious-social-graph/

 

         Can you point me to it?

 

1.   WWW.

2.   Stellar Wind.

3.   Humanity.

 

-j

 

From: Bruno Goncalves [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53 AM
To: John T. Maloney
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

Hi,

 

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

 

Best,

 

Bruno


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C’mon, sports fans, not to take anything away from Mark and FB, this is pure hyperbole. Concerning Facebook as the ‘largest social network dataset in the world’ That’s nonsense too. First, it is practically meaningless and shows naivety. The WWW and its web graph are enormous w/almost 4.2M IP address is on IPv4 and 3.4x10^32 on IPv6. As mentioned, so is Stella Wind. So forth and so on. -j From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lockhart Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:49 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them. I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active. Ciao, David On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi, At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the world." - Wikipedia I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it? Best, Bruno ******************************************* Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com Email: [log in to unmask] ******************************************* _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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LOL. Thanks.

 

To all you believing, “If it is on the Internet, it must be true,” Here is your ‘definitive’ answer:

 

http://bit.ly/1bUJ7di

 


social graph  

Web definitions

The social graph is a term coined by Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook,
which originally referred to the social network of relationships...


 

Gee whiz, not only was the social graph popularized by Facebook, now it was ‘coined’ by M. Zuckerberg.

 

(Apologies to the late Jacob Moreno.)

 

C’mon, sports fans, not to take anything away from Mark and FB, this is pure hyperbole.

 

Concerning Facebook as the ‘largest social network dataset in the world’

That’s nonsense too. First, it is practically meaningless and shows naivety.

 

The WWW and its web graph are enormous w/almost 4.2M IP address is on IPv4 and 3.4x10^32 on IPv6. As mentioned, so is Stella Wind. So forth and so on.

 

-j

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lockhart
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Bruno - I had the same reaction.  On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them.

I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown.  In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph".  Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time.  However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year.  With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward.  But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active.

Ciao,

David

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Hi,

 

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

 

Best,

 

Bruno


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You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! 

Let us know master!


On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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         I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset.

 

Have you already ‘found’ Facebook?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/24/my-precious-social-graph/

 

         Can you point me to it?

 

1.   WWW.

2.   Stellar Wind.

3.   Humanity.

 

-j

 

From: Bruno Goncalves [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53 AM
To: John T. Maloney
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Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

Hi,

 

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

 

Best,

 

Bruno


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If not him I am sure there have been dozens that saw the relationship between sociology and graph theory and called it a social graph. So what? The real question is who uses it now and how it can be tied to a trail of concepts that leveraged what people did before them. I call this obsession with defining terms “inventaholic”. Everyone is so fascinated by being an inventor that the whole world seems to have sprung up in a single day of term definition. (3) Facebook has a tremendous amount of data. Outside of privacy issues, again so what? We can map out every IP address in the world and follow them well beyond what Facebook could ever achieve. Has that become the ultimate dataset? After all it is just connections. Meaningless ones, but connections just the same. What is the most meaningful list? How strong are those links? Why was the link made? Are they persistent or ghost links? It is interesting to connect with connectors and watch your 2nd level contact lists grow exponentially, but are they usable? Maybe that is a connection in an airport terminal in passing. Mark Goetsch From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John T. Maloney Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:51 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** LOL. Thanks. To all you believing, “If it is on the Internet, it must be true,” Here is your ‘definitive’ answer: http://bit.ly/1bUJ7di _____ social graph Web definitions The social graph is a term coined by Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, which originally referred to the social network of relationships... _____ Gee whiz, not only was the social graph popularized by Facebook, now it was ‘coined’ by M. Zuckerberg. (Apologies to the late Jacob Moreno.) C’mon, sports fans, not to take anything away from Mark and FB, this is pure hyperbole. Concerning Facebook as the ‘largest social network dataset in the world’ That’s nonsense too. First, it is practically meaningless and shows naivety. The WWW and its web graph are enormous w/almost 4.2M IP address is on IPv4 and 3.4x10^32 on IPv6. As mentioned, so is Stella Wind. So forth and so on. -j From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lockhart Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:49 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them. I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active. Ciao, David On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi, At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the world." - Wikipedia I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. 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(1)    The problem with Wikipedia is that it takes information that could be published by nut cases and treats it the same as something from a Nobel Prize winner (or equivalent).  Even then it becomes about who has the most time to enforce their opinions on the masses.  Consider that out of 100 people that will read a conversations, 10 will ever contribute, and 3 may do so substantially.  Apply a little Internet bullying and this likely even drops below 1.  That is the sad case of Wikipedia.  On the other hand I reference Wikipedia for base facts quite often and do find it useful in that regard.

(2)    Human language is imprecise and definitions are even worse.  I am sure that Moreno, at one time, used the term social graph.  If not him I am sure there have been dozens that saw the relationship between sociology and graph theory and called it a social graph.  So what?  The real question is who uses it now and how it can be tied to a trail of concepts that leveraged what people did before them.  I call this obsession with defining terms “inventaholic”.  Everyone is so fascinated by being an inventor that the whole world seems to have sprung up in a single day of term definition.

(3)    Facebook has a tremendous amount of data.  Outside of privacy issues, again so what?  We can map out every IP address in the world and follow them well beyond what Facebook could ever achieve.  Has that become the ultimate dataset?  After all it is just connections.  Meaningless ones, but connections just the same.  What is the most meaningful list?  How strong are those links?  Why was the link made?  Are they persistent or ghost links?  It is interesting to connect with connectors and watch your 2nd level contact lists grow exponentially, but are they usable?  Maybe that is a connection in an airport terminal in passing. 

 

Mark Goetsch

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John T. Maloney
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

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LOL. Thanks.

 

To all you believing, “If it is on the Internet, it must be true,” Here is your ‘definitive’ answer:

 

http://bit.ly/1bUJ7di

 


social graph  

Web definitions

The social graph is a term coined by Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook,
which originally referred to the social network of relationships...


 

Gee whiz, not only was the social graph popularized by Facebook, now it was ‘coined’ by M. Zuckerberg.

 

(Apologies to the late Jacob Moreno.)

 

C’mon, sports fans, not to take anything away from Mark and FB, this is pure hyperbole.

 

Concerning Facebook as the ‘largest social network dataset in the world’

That’s nonsense too. First, it is practically meaningless and shows naivety.

 

The WWW and its web graph are enormous w/almost 4.2M IP address is on IPv4 and 3.4x10^32 on IPv6. As mentioned, so is Stella Wind. So forth and so on.

 

-j

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:49 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

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Bruno - I had the same reaction.  On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them.

I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown.  In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph".  Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time.  However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year.  With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward.  But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active.

Ciao,

David

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Hi,

 

At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:

        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia

I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

 

Best,

 

Bruno


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I fail to see how these are larger social network datasets than FBs over 1B active users... ( http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/17/facebook-growth/ ). In particular:

 1.   WWW.


Is not a social network. 

2.   Stellar Wind.

I have no idea how many people are covered, but I would be surprised if it were anywhere close to 1B. Also, this would probably be more aptly described as a combination of multiple datasets.

3.   Humanity.

Is not a dataset.

Maybe there is something I'm missing?


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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** This is very cool Michał -- it really puts the odd term "social graph" into perspective. Riffing on a theme a bit, it's interesting to note the changing terms in the field. Here, I add the terms "sociogram" and "sociometric". We can see that these two terms had their day mid-century (which was a time when every work on animal behavior would include a sociogram -- not so any more). http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csocial+graph%2Csociogram%2Csociometric&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share If I understand my social networks history correctly, wasn't it Manchester School folks like John Barnes who started using the term "network" more regularly when talking about aggregates of social relations? Cheers, Jamie -- James Holland Jones Associate Professor of Anthropology & Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment 450 Serra Mall Building 50 Stanford, CA 94305-2034 phone: 650-723-4824 fax: 650-725-0605 email: [log in to unmask] url: http://www.stanford.edu/~jhj1 On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Michał Bojanowski wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > All, > > While I think discussions about lexical definitions and about "size" > are usually not very interesting, I do think that the Wikipedia page > on "Social graph" is really peculiar: > > - It seems that "social graph" is nothing else but the name of the > network dataset assembled by Facebook to run its services. As such, to > me the term "social graph" is to "social network" in the same way like > "FarmVille" to "Agriculture". > > - The claim that "social graph" was first used by Philippe Bouzaglou > in 2002 (in some unidentified paper) sounds ridiculous. On Wikipedia > there is no link to that paper and I was not able to find it myself. I > think the main policy of Wikipedia is that it should contain > information and facts *documented* in concrete sources. I think this > is not case here. > > I like David's the idea of using ngrams. Its informative to have a > look at a chart comparing "social network" to "social graph". You can > use the link below. > > http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csocial+graph&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share> > Best, > Michal > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, David Lockhart > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he >> may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble >> getting access to them. >> >> I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook >> popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my >> eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and >> "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to >> be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social >> graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which >> finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from >> 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the >> spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I >> suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the >> corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there >> are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the >> continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 >> hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement >> that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive >> noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or >> putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a >> bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of >> usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term >> sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain >> active. >> Ciao, >> David >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>> >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>>> At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the >>>> intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: >>>> >>>> "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in >>>> the world." - Wikipedia >>> >>> I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. 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Anastasios, Bruno and other snarky posters clinically preoccupied with size, please remember it should not determine your self-esteem and self-worth. Just ask the ladies and they’ll tell you, “It’s not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean.”  -j

 

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You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! 

 

Let us know master!

 

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So you are effectively telling us you are small sized now.
Is that why your fonts are so big?


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You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! 

 

Let us know master!

 

On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CE6CDB.C7162D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** It is all what we mean when we talk about social graphs, don't you think? It is a very imprecise thing that we talk about here. About the only useful thing, outside of marketing analytics, from Facebook, LinkedIn, or any of these social media sites, is maybe showing that we are all connected by 6 degrees. As long as you have an account. Mark Goetsch From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:41 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** So you are effectively telling us you are small sized now. Is that why your fonts are so big? On 19 June 2013 16:36, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Anastasios, Bruno and other snarky posters clinically preoccupied with size, please remember it should not determine your self-esteem and self-worth. Just ask the ladies and they'll tell you, "It's not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean." -j From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:59 AM To: John T. Maloney Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! Let us know master! On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote: _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. -- Anastasios (aka Tassos) Noulas PhD Student, Computer Lab, Cambridge University Web: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~an346 _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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It is all what we mean when we talk about social graphs, don’t you think?  It is a very imprecise thing that we talk about here.  About the only useful thing, outside of marketing analytics, from Facebook, LinkedIn, or any of these social media sites, is maybe showing that we are all connected by 6 degrees.  As long as you have an account…

 

Mark Goetsch

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

So you are effectively telling us you are small sized now.

Is that why your fonts are so big?

 

On 19 June 2013 16:36, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

Anastasios, Bruno and other snarky posters clinically preoccupied with size, please remember it should not determine your self-esteem and self-worth. Just ask the ladies and they’ll tell you, “It’s not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean.”  -j

 

From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:59 AM


To: John T. Maloney
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Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! 

 

Let us know master!

 

On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Comments: To: Mark Goetsch <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_4B683C412AB84ADFB24FE23DEBD75502imperialacuk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Clue [ misso ab iLord] On 19/giu/2013, at 17:58, "Mark Goetsch" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** It is all what we mean when we talk about social graphs, don’t you think? It is a very imprecise thing that we talk about here. About the only useful thing, outside of marketing analytics, from Facebook, LinkedIn, or any of these social media sites, is maybe showing that we are all connected by 6 degrees. As long as you have an account… Mark Goetsch From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:41 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** So you are effectively telling us you are small sized now. Is that why your fonts are so big? On 19 June 2013 16:36, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Anastasios, Bruno and other snarky posters clinically preoccupied with size, please remember it should not determine your self-esteem and self-worth. Just ask the ladies and they’ll tell you, “It’s not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean.” -j From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:59 AM To: John T. Maloney Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ?? You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! Let us know master! On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote: _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. -- Anastasios (aka Tassos) Noulas PhD Student, Computer Lab, Cambridge University Web: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~an346 _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Clue 

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On 19/giu/2013, at 17:58, "Mark Goetsch" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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It is all what we mean when we talk about social graphs, don’t you think?  It is a very imprecise thing that we talk about here.  About the only useful thing, outside of marketing analytics, from Facebook, LinkedIn, or any of these social media sites, is maybe showing that we are all connected by 6 degrees.  As long as you have an account…

 

Mark Goetsch

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

So you are effectively telling us you are small sized now.

Is that why your fonts are so big?

 

On 19 June 2013 16:36, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

Anastasios, Bruno and other snarky posters clinically preoccupied with size, please remember it should not determine your self-esteem and self-worth. Just ask the ladies and they’ll tell you, “It’s not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean.”  -j

 

From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anastasios Noulas
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:59 AM


To: John T. Maloney
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SOCNET] what the ??

 

You still haven't told us which of the 3 is bigger! 

 

Let us know master!

 

On 19 June 2013 15:49, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail=_B61EF5B8-AECB-433F-AB0E-C882EBA1D953 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them. … while Facebook's `open' graph is so notoriously accessible as a dataset. ;) Quite sadly interesting that this argument has no effect on Wikipedia's Social graph revision history page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Social_graph&action=history Thanks Jamie for adding sociograms to the ngrams timeline, i had never realized to what extend they had been popular just before the social networks' take-off. http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csociogram&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=0 _ Christophe Prieur, [log in to unmask] Liafa, Université Paris-Diderot http://liafa.fr/~prieur/ [user experience research, social networks, (large) graph algorithms] Le 19 juin 2013 à 10:48, David Lockhart a écrit : > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them. > > I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active. > Ciao, > David > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > Hi, > > At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: > > > "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the world." - Wikipedia > > > > I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it? > > Best, > > Bruno > > ******************************************* > Bruno Miguel Tavares Gonçalves, PhD > Homepage: www.bgoncalves.com > Email: [log in to unmask] > ******************************************* > > > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Bruno - I had the same reaction.  On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them.

… while Facebook's `open' graph is so notoriously accessible as a dataset. ;)

Quite sadly interesting that this argument has no effect on Wikipedia's Social graph revision history page.

Thanks Jamie for adding sociograms to the ngrams timeline, i had never realized to what extend they had been popular just before the social networks' take-off.

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Le 19 juin 2013 à 10:48, David Lockhart a écrit :

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Bruno - I had the same reaction.  On a bit further thought, I wonder if he may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble getting access to them.

I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook popularizing the term social graph is overblown.  In fact, I had hoped - my eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social graph".  Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the spikes seem to be going down over time.  However, after a little thought, I suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the continually increasing number of books published each year.  With only 1-3 hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of usage is the best way to move forward.  But it's hard to deny that the term sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain active.
Ciao,
David


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Hi,
 
At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia:


        "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in the   world." - Wikipedia



I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. Can you point me to it?

Best,

Bruno

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Enterline" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > >howdy, > >i am a political scientist and merely a consumer of the SOCNET >discussions, which i enjoy and learn from. over the past week, i was >struck by lack of response to barry wellman's post regarding the >absence >of a discussion about the recent revelations concerning the NSA >("puzzling omissions," 6/14). indeed, this dearth was thrown into even >greater relief by the impressive buzz regarding attribution for >achievements in network analysis and the veracity of information on >wikipedia. > >while most of us are rarely trained in the normative and ethical >implications of our pursuit of normal science, it seems to me that >pondering the social, political, and economic ethical implications of >the science we do is an important exercise, even if it is difficult and > >often inconclusive. political science certainly has a long history >(even >preceding its modern incarnation) rife with examples of theories not >used for "good", or well-intentioned efforts to implement theories for >the good that go awry. the post-WWII qualms of hard scientists >wrestling >with the implications of their creations is also notable, and helped >motivate the field of peace science. yet, even peace science is cut >through with a normative tension: if one is a peace scientist, can one >do research demonstrating how to win wars that may in turn be used by >governments? > >i simply wonder what scientists of social networks think about these >normative issues in their general form, rather than as an indictment of > >a specific government policy, the NSA, and so forth. perhaps it is >simply better to address the negative implications of network analysis >in fora other than science (e.g., politics), to forge ahead confident >that when the chips fall where they may, good outcomes will exceed the >bad? > >regards, >andrew > >On 6/14/2013 8:09 AM, Barry Wellman wrote: >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- >> or even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis >to >> do massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. >> >> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's >> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. >> >> Barry Wellman >> >_______________________________________________________________________ >> >> S.D. 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To unsubscribe, send >> an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line >> UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send >an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line >UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. ------TC1Q3NTDNOI0YW0HLX2JJO23IBAZAM Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Agreed.

As a mere consumer of this list (1st msg - hi all) i wished that thread to pick momentum as well.

I personally find more interesting and useful to engage on issues that have impact on shaping the future to come.

That said, i ack that consumers like us have their implicit share of guilt for not engaging that one wellman's msg, and i thank andrew for bringin this up.

Just my 2 cents
Ciao

"Andrew J. Enterline" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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howdy,

i am a political scientist and merely a consumer of the SOCNET
discussions, which i enjoy and learn from. over the past week, i was
struck by lack of response to barry wellman's post regarding the absence
of a discussion about the recent revelations concerning the NSA
("puzzling omissions," 6/14). indeed, this dearth was thrown into even
greater relief by the impressive buzz regarding attribution for
achievements in network analysis and the veracity of information on
wikipedia.

while most of us are rarely trained in the normative and ethical
implications of our pursuit of normal science, it seems to me that
pondering the social, political, and economic ethical implications of
the science we do is an important exercise, even if it is difficult and
often inconclusive. political science certainly has a long history (even
preceding its modern incarnation) rife with examples of theories not
used for "good", or well-intentioned efforts to implement theories for
the good that go awry. the post-WWII qualms of hard scientists wrestling
with the implications of their creations is also notable, and helped
motivate the field of peace science. yet, even peace science is cut
through with a normative tension: if one is a peace scientist, can one
do research demonstrating how to win wars that may in turn be used by
governments?

i simply wonder what scientists of social networks think about these
normative issues in their general form, rather than as an indictment of
a specific government policy, the NSA, and so forth. perhaps it is
simply better to address the negative implications of network analysis
in fora other than science (e.g., politics), to forge ahead confident
that when the chips fall where they may, good outcomes will exceed the bad?

regards,
andrew

On 6/14/2013 8:09 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:
***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list --
or even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to
do massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.

Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.

Barry Wellman



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Comments: To: James Holland Jones <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --4893057-18993-1371708088=:440 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Nice Jamie, Also interesting to see what happens when you put the "s" on social networks -- a small semantic difference that tilts towards the SNA world. http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csociogram%2Csociometric%2Csocial+networks&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share best, Martina On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, James Holland Jones wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > This is very cool Michał -- it really puts the odd term "social graph" into perspective. Riffing on a theme a bit, it's interesting to note the changing terms in the field. Here, I add the terms "sociogram" and "sociometric". We can see that these two terms had their day mid-century (which was a time when every work on animal behavior would include a sociogram -- not so any more). > > http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csocial+graph%2Csociogram%2Csociometric&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share> > If I understand my social networks history correctly, wasn't it Manchester School folks like John Barnes who started using the term "network" more regularly when talking about aggregates of social relations? > > Cheers, > Jamie > > -- > James Holland Jones > Associate Professor of Anthropology & > Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment > > 450 Serra Mall > Building 50 > Stanford, CA 94305-2034 > > phone: 650-723-4824 > fax: 650-725-0605 > email: [log in to unmask] > url: http://www.stanford.edu/~jhj1 > > > > > On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Michał Bojanowski wrote: > >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> All, >> >> While I think discussions about lexical definitions and about "size" >> are usually not very interesting, I do think that the Wikipedia page >> on "Social graph" is really peculiar: >> >> - It seems that "social graph" is nothing else but the name of the >> network dataset assembled by Facebook to run its services. As such, to >> me the term "social graph" is to "social network" in the same way like >> "FarmVille" to "Agriculture". >> >> - The claim that "social graph" was first used by Philippe Bouzaglou >> in 2002 (in some unidentified paper) sounds ridiculous. On Wikipedia >> there is no link to that paper and I was not able to find it myself. I >> think the main policy of Wikipedia is that it should contain >> information and facts *documented* in concrete sources. I think this >> is not case here. >> >> I like David's the idea of using ngrams. Its informative to have a >> look at a chart comparing "social network" to "social graph". You can >> use the link below. >> >> http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=social+network%2Csocial+graph&year_start00&year_end 08&corpus&smoothing=0&share>> >> Best, >> Michal >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, David Lockhart >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>> Bruno - I had the same reaction. On a bit further thought, I wonder if he >>> may be referring to some of the NSA's datasets, however you may have trouble >>> getting access to them. >>> >>> I also have been feeling that the reactions to the statements about facebook >>> popularizing the term social graph is overblown. In fact, I had hoped - my >>> eyes having prematurely saccaded to phrases such as "16th century" and >>> "Francis Bacon" that the phrase "Of course, you all know that" was going to >>> be followed by some data on the actual early uses of the term "social >>> graph". Not seeing such a thing, I looked it up in google ngrams, which >>> finds the first use in 1922, with spikes in frequency every 10-15 years from >>> 1950 to 2000. In fact, I was initially surprised that the degree of the >>> spikes seem to be going down over time. However, after a little thought, I >>> suspect this is an artifact of G Ngrams displaying only a percentage of the >>> corpus with hits. So I think the reason there are spikes is because there >>> are 2 books per year instead of 1 that use the word combined with the >>> continually increasing number of books published each year. With only 1-3 >>> hits per year up to 2000, it is not at all hard to regard that a statement >>> that "popularization" occurred in 2007 in spite of fairly extensive >>> noncommercial use prior to that. People just weren't using it in books or >>> putting those books in ngram. Identifying a point of "popularization" is a >>> bit challenging, and I am not sure that measuring periodiical's frequency of >>> usage is the best way to move forward. But it's hard to deny that the term >>> sees much greater use than once or twice a year and enough use to remain >>> active. >>> Ciao, >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Goncalves <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> >>>>> At this stage I have neither the temperament, forbearance or the >>>>> intestinal fortitude to correct claims like this one in Wikipedia: >>>>> >>>>> "Facebook's social graph is the largest social network dataset in >>>>> the world." - Wikipedia >>>> >>>> I would be interested in knowing where I can find a larger dataset. 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My colleagues and I are in the process of validating a network survey using network data (from an data set with over 200 networks using similar/same online data collection process and questions).

 

Do you have suggestions of articles/books/resources that discuss quantitative methods for validation of network measures or network surveys?

 

I’d be happy to collect all responses and send the list back out to the SOCNET list serve.

 

Thank you!

Jess

 

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_____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, registered in England (reg. no. 986729). 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Thats an awesome compilation. ~michal On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > http://prism-break.org/ > > > > On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > > > I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or > > even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do > > massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. > > > > Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's > > network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. > > > > Barry Wellman > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director > > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building > > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 > > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman > > > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman > > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > > University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, > registered in England (reg. no. 986729). 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Bruce,

Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.

~michal

On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> *****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****
>
> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or
> even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do
> massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.
>
> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.
>
>   Barry Wellman
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>
>   S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
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>
> _____________________________________________________________________
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Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free? Cheers, --Moses On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Bruce, > > Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation. > > ~michal > On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> >> http://prism-break.org/ >> >> >> >> On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** >> > >> > I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or >> > even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do >> > massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. >> > >> > Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's >> > network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. >> > >> > Barry Wellman >> > _______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director >> > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building >> > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 >> > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman >> > >> > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman >> > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 >> > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ >> > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social >> > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send >> > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line >> > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. >> >> University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, >> registered in England (reg. no. 986729). 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Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?

Cheers,

--Moses

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Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.

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>
> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or
> even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do
> massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.
>
> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.
>
>   Barry Wellman
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>
>   S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
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>
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On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions – important and interesting, but not particularly network-centric. Perhaps the one unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection). We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear. On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions here turn on how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone numbers as nodes. That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is not going to be particularly useful. So you need a way to take each new batch of raw two-mode data (phone number – person) and sort, merge, match, etc. to your growing archive. (the other obvious problem once you get into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false positives in name matching. Again, great problem but not unique to networks). Peaceful Thoughts, Jim Professor Duke Sociology, Director, Duke Network Analysis Center From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moses Boudourides Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: puzzling omissions ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free? Cheers, --Moses On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Bruce, Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation. ~michal On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** http://prism-break.org/ On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or > even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do > massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. > > Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's > network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. > > Barry Wellman > _______________________________________________________________________ > > S.D. Clark Professor FRSC NetLab Director > Faculty of Information (iSchool) 611 Bissell Building > 140 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto Canada M5S 3G6 > http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman twitter: @barrywellman > > NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman > MIT Press http://amzn.to/zXZg39 Print $22 Kindle $16 > Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8 > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, registered in England (reg. no. 986729). 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Perhaps part of the silence is because the most interesting questions raised are not particularly network-specific (who owns data, what is the balance of govt protection vs. individual privacy, etc.), while the network-analytic issues are not particularly interesting (all the descriptions suggest that they are just building a big edgelist & doing a k-step breath-first-search from target nodes). 

 

On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions – important and interesting, but not particularly network-centric.  Perhaps the one unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection).  We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear.

 

On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions  here turn on how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone numbers as nodes.  That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is not going to be particularly useful.  So you need a way to take each new batch of raw two-mode data (phone number – person) and sort, merge, match, etc. to your growing archive.   (the other obvious problem once you get into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false positives in name matching.  Again, great problem but not unique to networks).

 

Peaceful Thoughts,

Jim

 

Professor Duke Sociology,

Director, Duke Network Analysis Center

 

 

 

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Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?

Cheers,

--Moses

On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Bruce,

Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.

~michal

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On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> *****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****
>
> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or
> even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do
> massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.
>
> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.
>
>   Barry Wellman
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>
>   S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
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>
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unmask]> Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum <[log in to unmask]> From: Moses Boudourides <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: puzzling omissions Comments: To: Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> --bcaec5015ed373d11f04dfac20b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi Phil, Is there any known example of a case where NSA or anybody else has directly misappropriated data or analyses used in a journal publication of a social networks scholar and without the latter's consent or authorization? Or are we just speculating about possibilities and potential risks? Living outside the US I'm not familiar with what is really at stake in this debate and thus I'm asking. Best, --Moses On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Hi. Let me suggest another explanation for the silence. There have > been newspaper articles recently on the increasing collaboration between > major Silicon Valley firms (Google, Facebook, etc.) and the NSA. Silicon > Valley has the tools, talent, and data that the intelligence community > wants. To a much lesser extent, this relationship also holds for the > social network community. I, and probably others, am critical of massive > intelligence gathering but I also know the intellectual and career > pressures that would lead one to collaborate: that's where the action is. > But, the moral dilemma is uniquely ours, and we could politely and > publically debate the issues. A debate might help all of us achieve some > clarity on this murky subject. Or, you might think of it as an experiment > in network dynamics. The outcome could be greater consensus or greater > polarization. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Phillip Bonacich**** > > Professor Emeritus**** > > Department of Sociology**** > > U.C.L.A.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On > Behalf Of *James Moody > *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 5:40 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: puzzling omissions**** > > ** ** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** **** > > He - **** > > ** ** > > Perhaps part of the silence is because the most interesting questions > raised are not particularly network-specific (who owns data, what is the > balance of govt protection vs. individual privacy, etc.), while the > network-analytic issues are not particularly interesting (all the > descriptions suggest that they are just building a big edgelist & doing a > k-step breath-first-search from target nodes). **** > > ** ** > > On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions - important > and interesting, but not particularly network-centric. Perhaps the one > unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably > that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of > any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection). > We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear.**** > > ** ** > > On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions here turn on > how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, > particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone > numbers as nodes. That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any > nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple > phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in > general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is > not going to be particularly useful. So you need a way to take each new > batch of raw two-mode data (phone number - person) and sort, merge, match, > etc. to your growing archive. (the other obvious problem once you get > into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false > positives in name matching. Again, great problem but not unique to > networks).**** > > ** ** > > Peaceful Thoughts,**** > > Jim **** > > ** ** > > Professor Duke Sociology, **** > > Director, Duke Network Analysis Center**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>] > *On Behalf Of *Moses Boudourides > *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: puzzling omissions**** > > ** ** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** **** > > Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis > software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?**** > > Cheers, **** > > --Moses**** > > On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Micha³ Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > **** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** **** > > Bruce,**** > > Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.**** > > ~michal**** > > On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > http://prism-break.org/ > > > > On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > > > I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or > > even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do > > massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. > > > > Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's > > network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. > > > > Barry Wellman > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > S.D. 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Hi Phil,

Is there any known example of a case where NSA or anybody else has directly misappropriated data or analyses used in a journal publication of a social networks scholar and without the latter's consent or authorization? Or are we just speculating about possibilities and potential risks? Living outside the US I'm not familiar with what is really at stake in this debate and thus I'm asking.

Best,

--Moses


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi.  Let me suggest another explanation for the silence.  There have been newspaper articles recently on the increasing collaboration between major Silicon Valley firms (Google, Facebook, etc.) and the NSA.  Silicon Valley has the tools, talent, and data that the intelligence community wants.  To a much lesser extent, this relationship also holds for the social network community.  I, and probably others, am critical of massive intelligence gathering but I also know the intellectual and career pressures that would lead one to collaborate: that’s where the action is.   But, the moral dilemma is uniquely ours, and we could politely and publically debate the issues.  A debate might help all of us achieve some clarity on this murky subject.  Or, you might think of it as an experiment in network dynamics.  The outcome could be greater consensus or greater polarization.   

 

 

Phillip Bonacich

Professor Emeritus

Department of Sociology

U.C.L.A.

 

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Moody
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: puzzling omissions

 

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He –

 

Perhaps part of the silence is because the most interesting questions raised are not particularly network-specific (who owns data, what is the balance of govt protection vs. individual privacy, etc.), while the network-analytic issues are not particularly interesting (all the descriptions suggest that they are just building a big edgelist & doing a k-step breath-first-search from target nodes). 

 

On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions – important and interesting, but not particularly network-centric.  Perhaps the one unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection).  We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear.

 

On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions  here turn on how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone numbers as nodes.  That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is not going to be particularly useful.  So you need a way to take each new batch of raw two-mode data (phone number – person) and sort, merge, match, etc. to your growing archive.   (the other obvious problem once you get into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false positives in name matching.  Again, great problem but not unique to networks).

 

Peaceful Thoughts,

Jim

 

Professor Duke Sociology,

Director, Duke Network Analysis Center

 

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moses Boudourides
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: puzzling omissions

 

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Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?

Cheers,

--Moses

On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Bruce,

Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.

~michal

On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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http://prism-break.org/



On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> *****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****
>
> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or
> even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do
> massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.
>
> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.
>
>   Barry Wellman
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>
>   S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
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>
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Hi –

 

The political dimensions of Prism, Stellar Wind, etc., are ironic.

 

While liberals and progressives, the political bent of many academics, scholars and universities, embrace and nurture Big Government and statism, they do not have a response when it is proven, over and over, to be a wholly defective, failed and harmful concept. Thus, as we point out, they remain silent. It is not puzzling; it’s pathetic.   

 

Meanwhile, conservatives and reactionaries, the sworn enemy of statism, seems to have less a problem with widespread surveillance. Once a nut job always a nut job.

 

The political dilemmata are positively delicious.

 

The fastest way to correct an out-of-control bureaucracy is, of course, to starve-the-beast. The fastest way to restore democracy is to make the watched the watchers.

 

Concerning the second remedy, a public, open National SNA Network could be formed to use applied SNA to watch government. It would be a taste of their own bitter medicine. The data are there. Just need the motivation.   

 

“Most bad government results from too much government.” - Thomas Jefferson

 

-j

http://www.networksingularity.com/

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Hi – Frankly, my opinion is SNA can be used by both sides of any activity to advance their effectiveness. SNA could level the playing field. It can be both for and against.

 

For example, SNA could be applied to the so-called expert networks to identify troublesome patterns and structures. Meanwhile, the expert networks could also use SNA audits to assure they are not advancing illegal activities.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_network

 

In the 60’s the civil rights and anti-war groups could have certainly strengthened themselves with robust SNA techniques, and vice versa.   

 

Raj Rajaratnam is in a Federal penitentiary until 2021 mostly because of network structure. Federal statues like RICO, that have decimated La Cosa Nostra, depend heavily on network structure, particularly hub-n-spoke networks, aka ‘Corrupt Organizations.’

 

The asymmetric War on Terror is perhaps the first major social network war. SNA can be both a potent weapon and effective deterrent. 

 

-j

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phillip Bonacich
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [SOCNET] puzzling omissions

 

Hi Moses,

 

            Over the past 50 years social scientists have developed sophisticated techniques for analyzing social networks.  Now these techniques are being used to fight a global war on terrorists.  We don’t own the techniques we developed but I think we can profitably reflect on the ways in which these techniques are used and the ways in which they might be used but aren’t.  For example, the resources devoted to the war on terror could be used to root out insider trading, a possibility which sends chills of pleasure down my spine.  On the other hand, in the 60’s they would certainly have been used against the civil rights and anti-war movements. 

 

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However let me add two other dimensions on what we're discussing. First, as you've indicated, is the question of who owes, controls, regulates and moderates the terms of use derived from the existing intellectual property rights on published scientific work. Although the valid corresponding trade related aspects are rather clearly standardized, in what concerns uses and circumstances like the ones you're describing, Phil, I don't know whether the author of a publication in which a major technique is introduced might allow or prohibit certain contaminant applications of this technique by whoever others in whatever other (possibly political) areas. Please, enlighten me if you know more about this. Actually, I know the answer on the formal ownership question but I'm more interested in the repercussions it has on moral dilemmas and political engagement. There is also an issue of participant observational neutrality, which (when it) is often (?) confronted with a justified or sometimes rather unjustified dose of mistrust from the part of certain cohorts of activists or militants who might happen to be interviewed or surveyed in, let's say, a protest participation study. What's interesting is that in most of these cases, mistrusting and reluctant to respond participants are driven by exactly "symmetrical" concerns with what we're discussing now. Again from a moral political point of view, what else can one do than respect such a public mannerism? Best, --Moses On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Hi Moses,**** > > ** ** > > Over the past 50 years social scientists have developed > sophisticated techniques for analyzing social networks. Now these > techniques are being used to fight a global war on terrorists. We don’t > own the techniques we developed but I think we can profitably reflect on > the ways in which these techniques are used and the ways in which they > might be used but aren’t. For example, the resources devoted to the war on > terror could be used to root out insider trading, a possibility which sends > chills of pleasure down my spine. On the other hand, in the 60’s they > would certainly have been used against the civil rights and anti-war > movements. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Moses Boudourides [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 8:58 AM > *To:* Phillip Bonacich; Social Networks Discussion Forum > *Subject:* Re: puzzling omissions**** > > ** ** > > Hi Phil,**** > > ** ** > > Is there any known example of a case where NSA or anybody else has > directly misappropriated data or analyses used in a journal publication of > a social networks scholar and without the latter's consent or > authorization? Or are we just speculating about possibilities and potential > risks? Living outside the US I'm not familiar with what is really at stake > in this debate and thus I'm asking.**** > > ** ** > > Best,**** > > ** ** > > --Moses**** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > Hi. Let me suggest another explanation for the silence. There have been > newspaper articles recently on the increasing collaboration between major > Silicon Valley firms (Google, Facebook, etc.) and the NSA. Silicon Valley > has the tools, talent, and data that the intelligence community wants. To > a much lesser extent, this relationship also holds for the social network > community. I, and probably others, am critical of massive intelligence > gathering but I also know the intellectual and career pressures that would > lead one to collaborate: that’s where the action is. But, the moral > dilemma is uniquely ours, and we could politely and publically debate the > issues. A debate might help all of us achieve some clarity on this murky > subject. Or, you might think of it as an experiment in network dynamics. > The outcome could be greater consensus or greater polarization. **** > > **** > > **** > > Phillip Bonacich**** > > Professor Emeritus**** > > Department of Sociology**** > > U.C.L.A.**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On > Behalf Of *James Moody > *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 5:40 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: puzzling omissions**** > > **** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** ** ** > > He – **** > > **** > > Perhaps part of the silence is because the most interesting questions > raised are not particularly network-specific (who owns data, what is the > balance of govt protection vs. individual privacy, etc.), while the > network-analytic issues are not particularly interesting (all the > descriptions suggest that they are just building a big edgelist & doing a > k-step breath-first-search from target nodes). **** > > **** > > On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions – important > and interesting, but not particularly network-centric. Perhaps the one > unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably > that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of > any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection). > We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear.**** > > **** > > On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions here turn on > how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, > particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone > numbers as nodes. That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any > nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple > phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in > general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is > not going to be particularly useful. So you need a way to take each new > batch of raw two-mode data (phone number – person) and sort, merge, match, > etc. to your growing archive. (the other obvious problem once you get > into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false > positives in name matching. Again, great problem but not unique to > networks).**** > > **** > > Peaceful Thoughts,**** > > Jim **** > > **** > > Professor Duke Sociology, **** > > Director, Duke Network Analysis Center**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>] > *On Behalf Of *Moses Boudourides > *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: puzzling omissions**** > > **** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** ** ** > > Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis > software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?**** > > Cheers, **** > > --Moses**** > > On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > **** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** ** ** > > Bruce,**** > > Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.**** > > ~michal**** > > On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > http://prism-break.org/ > > > > On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > > > I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or > > even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do > > massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations. > > > > Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's > > network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour. > > > > Barry Wellman > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > S.D. 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Thanks Phil,

I understand what you're saying and I certainly agree with you. However let me add two other dimensions on what we're discussing. 

First, as you've indicated, is the question of who owes, controls, regulates and moderates the terms of use derived from the existing intellectual property rights on published scientific work. Although the valid corresponding trade related aspects are rather clearly standardized, in what concerns uses and circumstances like the ones you're describing, Phil, I don't know whether the author of a publication in which a major technique is introduced might allow or prohibit certain contaminant applications of this technique by whoever others in whatever other (possibly political) areas. Please, enlighten me if you know more about this. Actually, I know the answer on the formal ownership question but I'm more interested in the repercussions it has on moral dilemmas and political engagement.

There is also an issue of participant observational neutrality, which (when it) is often (?) confronted with a justified or sometimes rather unjustified dose of mistrust from the part of certain cohorts of activists or militants who might happen to be interviewed or surveyed in, let's say, a protest participation study. What's interesting is that in most of these cases, mistrusting and reluctant to respond participants are driven by exactly "symmetrical" concerns with what we're discussing now. Again from a moral political point of view, what else can one do than respect such a public mannerism?

Best,

--Moses


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Moses,

 

            Over the past 50 years social scientists have developed sophisticated techniques for analyzing social networks.  Now these techniques are being used to fight a global war on terrorists.  We don’t own the techniques we developed but I think we can profitably reflect on the ways in which these techniques are used and the ways in which they might be used but aren’t.  For example, the resources devoted to the war on terror could be used to root out insider trading, a possibility which sends chills of pleasure down my spine.  On the other hand, in the 60’s they would certainly have been used against the civil rights and anti-war movements. 

 

 

From: Moses Boudourides [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:58 AM
To: Phillip Bonacich; Social Networks Discussion Forum
Subject: Re: puzzling omissions

 

Hi Phil,

 

Is there any known example of a case where NSA or anybody else has directly misappropriated data or analyses used in a journal publication of a social networks scholar and without the latter's consent or authorization? Or are we just speculating about possibilities and potential risks? Living outside the US I'm not familiar with what is really at stake in this debate and thus I'm asking.

 

Best,

 

--Moses

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Bonacich <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi.  Let me suggest another explanation for the silence.  There have been newspaper articles recently on the increasing collaboration between major Silicon Valley firms (Google, Facebook, etc.) and the NSA.  Silicon Valley has the tools, talent, and data that the intelligence community wants.  To a much lesser extent, this relationship also holds for the social network community.  I, and probably others, am critical of massive intelligence gathering but I also know the intellectual and career pressures that would lead one to collaborate: that’s where the action is.   But, the moral dilemma is uniquely ours, and we could politely and publically debate the issues.  A debate might help all of us achieve some clarity on this murky subject.  Or, you might think of it as an experiment in network dynamics.  The outcome could be greater consensus or greater polarization.   

 

 

Phillip Bonacich

Professor Emeritus

Department of Sociology

U.C.L.A.

 

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Moody
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: puzzling omissions

 

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

He –

 

Perhaps part of the silence is because the most interesting questions raised are not particularly network-specific (who owns data, what is the balance of govt protection vs. individual privacy, etc.), while the network-analytic issues are not particularly interesting (all the descriptions suggest that they are just building a big edgelist & doing a k-step breath-first-search from target nodes). 

 

On the former, the issues are deep moral & political questions – important and interesting, but not particularly network-centric.  Perhaps the one unique advantage folks on this list have to contribute to that is probably that most of the public severely over-estimates the computational ease of any real-time monitoring (rather than just data aggregation/collection).  We could, perhaps, do a public service by making that more clear.

 

On the latter, I think the technically interesting questions  here turn on how to store, organize & efficiently maintain a giant evolving edge-list, particularly when you care about people as nodes rather than the phone numbers as nodes.  That is, since numbers get changed & re-used and any nefarious near-do-well would certainly use multiple phones, a simple phone-number-is-node-number data storage system (which is inefficient in general, but fine for a BFS where all the isolates are ignored anyway) is not going to be particularly useful.  So you need a way to take each new batch of raw two-mode data (phone number – person) and sort, merge, match, etc. to your growing archive.   (the other obvious problem once you get into people-to-number merging on real data is the problem of false positives in name matching.  Again, great problem but not unique to networks).

 

Peaceful Thoughts,

Jim

 

Professor Duke Sociology,

Director, Duke Network Analysis Center

 

 

 

From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moses Boudourides
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: puzzling omissions

 

***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

Wait a minute, folks, where's the PRISM-free social network analysis software? Tell me, Vlado, is Pajek safely PRISM-free?

Cheers,

--Moses

On Jun 20, 2013 8:25 PM, "Michał Bojanowski" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Bruce,

Thanks! Thats an awesome compilation.

~michal

On Jun 20, 2013 10:17 PM, "Bruce Cronin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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http://prism-break.org/



On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:10, "Barry Wellman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> *****  To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org  *****
>
> I am flabbergasted that there has been no discussion on this list -- or
> even announcement -- of the NSA's use of social network analysis to do
> massive surveillance of American and unAmerican populations.
>
> Nor any talk of the Turkish situation -- seems to fit Chuck Tilly's
> network-basis analyses of collective political behaviour.
>
>   Barry Wellman
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>
>   S.D. Clark Professor               FRSC               NetLab Director
>   Faculty of Information (iSchool)                 611 Bissell Building
>   140 St. George St.    University of Toronto    Toronto Canada M5S 3G6
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman          twitter: @barrywellman
>
>   NETWORKED:The New Social Operating System. Lee Rainie & Barry Wellman
>   MIT Press            http://amzn.to/zXZg39      Print $22  Kindle $16
>                  Old/NewCyberTimes http://bit.ly/c8N9V8
>   ________________________________________________________________________
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
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