Gary Probst wrote:

Lonna we are together in our thinking.  I have analyzed each question
on  all of the published reading tests.  Most reading test require you
to read to locate facts.  Today, the reading tests used by most
community college would be too easy for the students we selected for
reading when I was a junior high school reading specialist.  We used the
Nelson-Denny Forms A and B.  If you review the different forms of the
N-D test, you can see the decline in reading over the past 20 years.  I
think the latest forms of the N-D test could be read with 100 percent
comprehension, if there was no time limit, by most middle school

Reading can be measured, but not by the current reading tests.  Several
years ago I made a reading test for nursing students under a grant.  The
test required student to read to answer questions that were on the
principle and problem-solving level.  We tested all of the nursing
students in the college.  This test correlated with the students GPA and
grades in certain classes.

Elementary school teachers have been making their own reading tests for
years.  We should be doing this on the college level.  However, when
ever I suggest it, then always say, "It is safe to go with a big named
publisher if their is a complaint?"  What current tests can do is place
students in regular college classes where they lack the prerequisite
skills to succeed.  This is especially true on math placement.

I am for testing!

Lonna Smith wrote:
> Gary Probst wrote:  A good question is, "Does a reading test measure
> reading?"
> I loved your anecdote, Gary.  When I taught CBEST Preparatory classes (a
> passing score on the CBEST - California Basic Educational Skills Test -
> is a requirement for all credentialed teachers K-12 in Calif.) I also
> taught students to anaylze answers rather than concentrate of reading
> the passsages.  In fact, I did the same thing to prepare students to
> take the Nelson-Denny as a required posttest for DE reading classes.
> Our experiences answer your question.  No!  Not if used this way.  They
> do seem measure some critical thinking, though. Perhaps we're giving the
> wrong tests to the wrong people!  Maybe we shouldn't put so much
> emphasis on testing.
> Lonna Smith