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The new CRLA Peer Mentor Certification Program may be of help to any of you who are thinking of implementing a mentor program, implementing mentor training, or rewarding your mentors for the training and work they do. I will be glad to send the information packet if you will email your mailing address directly to me.HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL! At 12:00 AM 12/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:00:23 -0700 >Reply-To: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals <[log in to unmask]> >Sender: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals <[log in to unmask]> >From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: LRNASST Digest - 6 Dec 1998 to 7 Dec 1998 >To: Recipients of LRNASST digests <[log in to unmask]> > >There are 31 messages totalling 1275 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. Wondering about Ed.... (11) > 2. Spoken English, Written English > 3. Tutoring Manuals > 4. Spoken English (3) > 5. peer academic mentors (3) > 6. Tutoring by Telephone > 7. Reply: Re: Spoken English (2) > 8. Remembering Ed... (3) > 9. Supplemental Instruction National Survey > 10. Speaking of Colloquial English... (3) > 11. Holiday song for the math lab > 12. Remembering Ed.... >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:16:19 -0800 >From: Catalina Colaci <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Perhaps somebody could initiate a message, addressed to the list where each >one of us could include either a line or just a signature and then send it >to someone who, in turn could deliver it to the family? > >At 10:03 PM 12/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Guy Kimura wrote: >> >>> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE2049.8B636140 >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> >>> I have bad news, I heard from Ed home campus that he passed away a few >months ago. We all will miss him. >>> >>> Guy >>> >> >>I would like to express my codolences to the family. What is it about the >>good ones anyway? One of our colleauges passed away on the first day of >>his retirement. >> >> >>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>x Bev Krieger x >>x Kwantlen University College x >>x ACP Department x >>x Langley Campus x >>x 12666-72 Avenue x >>x Surrey, BC Canada V3W 2M8 x >>x Email: [log in to unmask] x >>x Phone: (604) 599-3336 x >>x Fax: (604) 599-3277 x >>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:15:54 -0500 >From: "Fernandez, Jody" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain > >All this makes me regret not being a member of this list earlier so that I >could have had a chance to read Ed's words. Thank you all for everything you >post - it makes a difference in my day. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jan Norton [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:41 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >> >> A new challenge for the new millenium: learning how to grieve a death in >> the list-family, which, like many real families, is an oddly distancing, >> oddly comforting group of people who both do and do not know each other. >> >> May we all find comfort in the ways that we need it most. >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Jan Norton, Director >> Center for Academic Support Phone: (816) 271-4536 >> Missouri Western State College Email: [log in to unmask] >> 4525 Downs Drive Fax: (816) 271-4574 >> St. Joseph, MO 64507 Website: www.mwsc.edu/~cas >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:46:04 -0600 >From: SHIREY A VANHOOK <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Me too!! > >Shirey Van Hook >Academic Achievement Center >Ozarks Technical Community College >P.O. Box 5958 >Springfield, MO 65801 >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:21:40 EST >From: Linda Evans <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Spoken English, Written English >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > >I've been reading this thread with interest. Before I came into the >learning assistance fold at the university level, I was first an >elementary bilingual and ESL teacher and then a university-level ESL >instructor. The constant thread throughout has been an emphasis on >literacy. I agree with all that was said about ways to modify a >dialect of English to a more standard form, and I wholeheartedly >agree with the need to do so in order that the student might >represent herself well in whatever setting she chooses to enter. > >I guess where the conversation began to attract my attention was the >reference to allowing students to write however they choose, never >mind using correct grammar, spelling, etc. In all my training in >whole language, phonetics, literacy, etc. I never encountered any >authority who said that spelling and grammar should be ignored. >Rather, the literature on invented spellings and whole language >simply shifts the initial emphasis from a focus on the mechanics to a >focus on meaning. The impetus for doing so was that students were >"word calling" in reading without comprehension, and writing essays >which were executed with good mechanics but which said little. The >shift was meant to get students communicating and comprehending (the >main purpose of literacy) and THEN to help them to polish up what >they wrote or learn the phonetics for decoding from meaningful text, >not words in isolation. It may be that not all teachers followed >through with the attention to mechanics, and from that whole language >earned a bad name. In any case, it seems that a balance must be >brought when any "new" methodology is touted. Many students benefit >from direct instruction in grammar and phonetics and many students >need a great deal of work with meaning-making whether reading or >writing. I find the whole language/phonetics controversy unnecessary >and even damaging to the way we teach children to read. > >Just my two cents on a Monday morning! Linda >********************************************************** > >Linda S. Evans, Ph.D. >Director, Reading & Learning Program, SVC 2124 >University of South Florida >4202 E. Fowler Ave. >Tampa, Florida 33620 >phone: 813-974-9308; fax: 813-974-5089 >[log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:32:39 EST >From: "Ruth A. Doucette" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Tutoring Manuals > >Sorry, thought that I had sent the memo directly to the individual who >requested one. I apologize to the list serve. Ruth A. Doucette >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:31:31 -0600 >From: DonGarnett <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Spoken English > >I agree that written English also suffers. Very irritating examples are >often found on the local news, especially in smaller markets such as >Lubbock, Texas, where I live. Not only are errors in grammar frequent, the >"talking heads" reading from the teleprompter apparently do not know the >difference between what is right or wrong. One of my pet peeves is the >gradual change in what is first offensive, then tolerated, then accepted. > Example: "drug bust" becomes "busted" for arrested then "busted" for >jaywalking. Although some of my English teacher colleagues might call this >the evolution of the English language, I can only see it as another example >of lower standards or laziness. Last night I heard a weekend anchor on >television read, "The building was broke into." GRRRR! > > >Don Garnett >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:19:17 -0500 >From: Deborah Pratt Sawoscinski <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >I am so sorry to hear this. Sometimes one is afraid to ask after such a >long silence... I, too, would like to express my condolences to his >family if a group message is organized or an address provided... > >Thank you for letting us know, Guy. >Deb Pratt >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:03 -0500 >From: Barbara M Stout <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Spoken English >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Don: I enjoyed your email! I want to include the incorrect grammatical >sentences "I should have 'did' it." and "...should have'went'." I notice >these are frequently misused even by educated people. I had a friend that >the misuse of laying and lying drove her crazy. Since English is not my >field I don't know what the answer is. Is it the evolution of the >language?? Barb > >Barbara M. Stout >Supplemental Instructional Specialist >University of Pittsburgh >311 Wm. Pitt Union >Pittsburgh, PA 15260 >1-412-648-7920 > >On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, DonGarnett wrote: > >> I agree that written English also suffers. Very irritating examples are >> often found on the local news, especially in smaller markets such as >> Lubbock, Texas, where I live. Not only are errors in grammar frequent, the >> "talking heads" reading from the teleprompter apparently do not know the >> difference between what is right or wrong. One of my pet peeves is the >> gradual change in what is first offensive, then tolerated, then accepted. >> Example: "drug bust" becomes "busted" for arrested then "busted" for >> jaywalking. Although some of my English teacher colleagues might call this >> the evolution of the English language, I can only see it as another example >> of lower standards or laziness. Last night I heard a weekend anchor on >> television read, "The building was broke into." GRRRR! >> >> >> Don Garnett >> >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:14:32 -0600 >From: Rebecca Cory <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: peer academic mentors >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi folks, > >I've been lurking on this list for over a year, posting maybe once or twice >in that time, and have enjoyed listening in on some high quality >conversations. Now, I have a question... I tried to search the archive, >and did an ERIC search, but could not find information, so here goes... > >I am interested in setting up a program for peers to serve as academic >mentors for each other. I spend a good amount of time every year speaking >to First Term Seminar classes, and working with individuals to do >one-on-one time management sessions. This has gotten highly repetitive. >AND, the First Term Seminar (FTS) director has put on his wish list that I >go to EVERY FTS class next Fall- there are 46 of them! So I would like to >look at starting a program that would have 2 or 3 sophamores or juniors >serve as academic role models. They could visit some of these classes, >work with the Intro Bio class, and meet one-on-one with students. I see a >lot of benifits to this program- it would give the students some valuable >experience (especially if they want to go into education) and underclass >students would be more likely to come to the office to see a peer than to >see me. These students would not be content tutors, they would work only >on academic skills. > >Does anyone have a program like this? Is there literature that discusses >this sort of program? If you know of such a program, can you tell me how >it is organized, and what its strenghts and weaknesses are? I'd love to >hear as much as you are willing to tell. > >Thanks for all your help. > >Rebecca > >************************* >Rebecca Cory >Academic Counselor >Head Resident of Rundstrom Hall >Gustavus Adolphus College >800 W. College Ave >Saint Peter, MN 56082 >(507) 933-6124 >[log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:27:16 -0500 >From: Laura Symons <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Spoken English >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Thanks Everyone! > >My student came into my office and we read through all the responses to my >question. She decided to listen to CNN and watch the nightly news, to get >the book one of you mentioned, and to meet with a coach here in the center >on a weekly basis next semester. Together, they will identify the major >areas of difficulty and make charts for use in practice. > >Once again you (y'all) have proven what a wonderful resource this list is. >My student is very grateful for the help and so am I. > >Laura > >Laura Symons >Academic Resource Center >Sweet Briar College >Sweet Briar, Virginia 24595 >[log in to unmask] >http://www.arc.sbc.edu >804-381-6378 >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:53:03 -0800 >From: Kenneth Zech <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Tutoring by Telephone >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Have any of you had experience with tutoring by telephone? If you have, >and would be willing to tell me a little about how it works, or did >work, or didn't work, could you contact me off the list at >[log in to unmask] The idea came up recently in a >brainstorming session. Would truly appreciate having the views of those >with first-hand experience. > >Thanks. > >Kenneth Zech >Instructor, Tutorial Services >Reedley College >Reedley, California >E-mail: [log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:06:00 -0500 >From: Elaini Bingham <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Reply: Re: Spoken English >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >Thanks to all of you who responded to Don's "grammatical problem" >entry. I have been so frustrated by many many people (even those with >Ph.D.'s) who use the nominative case after a preposition. Even those >on TV, actors, etc. do it. I don't believe we should accept that!! >Example: >Sharon gave it to Bill and I (UGH UGH). Clarence received the joint >gift from Jim and I (UGH UGH). It goes on over and over. Let's >correct these folks gently every time they do it, please. Elaini > >---------------------- >Elaini L. Bingham >Director Kellogg Institute >National Center for Developmental Education >Appalachian State University >Boone, NC 28608 >(828)262-6102 Phone >(828)262-2128 Fax >[log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:09:39 -0500 >From: "Fernandez, Jody" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Reply: Re: Spoken English >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain > > The grammatical error that irks me is the confusion of "real" and >"really" as in " We had a real good time". Most of the time, my gentle >corrections are accepted happily. Many people don't seem to realize they are >speaking incorrectly. Still, I can't correct actors and newscasters who are >perpetuating the error. Many people assume it's correct if they see it on >tv. Peace- Jody >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:11:30 -1000 >From: Guy Kimura <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE21B9.38ED6160" > >Sorry I don't have any additional information. I am sure if you have his work address, someone could forward your message. > >Guy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Annette Gourgey [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:43 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... > >To Guy or anyone else who knows: > >Do you happen to have a home address for Ed's family? I feel so >sad about this news that I was thinking of sending them a note >of condolence but all I have is his work address. > >Annette Gourgey >[log in to unmask] > >Attachment Converted: "d:\net\eudora\attach\LRNASST Digest - 6 Dec 1998 to " >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:41:27 -0800 >From: Roger Elrod <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >I also agree with Lonna's well chosen words. > >In my selecting of emails to read on this list, I never skipped Ed's. It was self-interest on my part. Ed had a wonderful way of weaving respect, hope, and wonder into his words and work. I opened his emails with expectation. They were like gifts. > >Yes, we are in a new time. I am feeling grief and sadness for someone "I knew" on line. I am grateful for that limited "relationship" and confident of the significantly richer relationship enjoyed by Ed's family and friends. > >Roger Elrod > >>>> Lonna Smith <[log in to unmask]> - 12/5/98 3:50 PM >>> >What a shock to hear that Ed Ketz passed away. His messages were always a joy >to read. Not only did they contain excellent, well-expressed ideas, they were >also filled with humor. It was obvious that Ed was a talented educator as >well as a heck of a nice guy. What a loss! > >Lonna Smith >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:09:36 -0600 >From: Jan Norton <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: peer academic mentors >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >You may want to contact Gladys Shaw about CRLA's new International Mentor >Certification Program : 915.747.5366 (phone), 915.747.5486 (fax), >[log in to unmask] (email). >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Jan Norton, Director >Center for Academic Support Phone: (816) 271-4536 >Missouri Western State College Email: [log in to unmask] >4525 Downs Drive Fax: (816) 271-4574 >St. Joseph, MO 64507 Website: www.mwsc.edu/~cas >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:57:49 EDT >From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... > >How can I email a condolence message to the family? This is a great >loss. Lorraine > >> Perhaps somebody could initiate a message, addressed to the list where each >> one of us could include either a line or just a signature and then send it >> to someone who, in turn could deliver it to the family? >> >> At 10:03 PM 12/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Guy Kimura wrote: >> > >> >> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE2049.8B636140 >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> I have bad news, I heard from Ed home campus that he passed away a few >> months ago. We all will miss him. >> >> >> >> Guy >> >> >> > >> >I would like to express my codolences to the family. What is it about the >> >good ones anyway? One of our colleauges passed away on the first day of >> >his retirement. >> > >> > >> >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >x Bev Krieger x >> >x Kwantlen University College x >> >x ACP Department x >> >x Langley Campus x >> >x 12666-72 Avenue x >> >x Surrey, BC Canada V3W 2M8 x >> >x Email: [log in to unmask] x >> >x Phone: (604) 599-3336 x >> >x Fax: (604) 599-3277 x >> >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >> > >> >[log in to unmask] > >France is the only country with a 300m flagpole. >Gustave Eiffel on the Eiffel Tower > >"All people have two countries and one of them is France." Benjamin Franklin >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:54:24 EDT >From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... > >Please send my condolensces to Ed's family and please put me on any >list or group list to send condolenses. God bless his family. >Lorraine >> >> Shirey Van Hook >> Academic Achievement Center >> Ozarks Technical Community College >> P.O. Box 5958 >> Springfield, MO 65801 >> >[log in to unmask] > >France is the only country with a 300m flagpole. >Gustave Eiffel on the Eiffel Tower > >"All people have two countries and one of them is France." Benjamin Franklin >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:44:51 -0500 >From: Steve Runge <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >For all of us who didn't know Ed and who now wish we did, did anyone save a >number of his emails, and if not, is it possible the administrator could >assemble a number of his postings from the archives and post them? > >Steve Runge >Academic Skills Coordinator >St. Lawrence U. >Canton, NY 13617 >[log in to unmask] > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roger Elrod <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 2:00 PM >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... > > >>I also agree with Lonna's well chosen words. >> >>In my selecting of emails to read on this list, I never skipped Ed's. It >was self-interest on my part. Ed had a wonderful way of weaving respect, >hope, and wonder into his words and work. I opened his emails with >expectation. They were like gifts. >> >>Yes, we are in a new time. I am feeling grief and sadness for someone "I >knew" on line. I am grateful for that limited "relationship" and confident >of the significantly richer relationship enjoyed by Ed's family and friends. >> >>Roger Elrod >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:35:27 EDT >From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... > >That would be a very loving tribute. Lorraine >> For all of us who didn't know Ed and who now wish we did, did anyone save a >> number of his emails, and if not, is it possible the administrator could >> assemble a number of his postings from the archives and post them? >> >> Steve Runge >> Academic Skills Coordinator >> St. Lawrence U. >> Canton, NY 13617 >> [log in to unmask] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Elrod <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 2:00 PM >> Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >> >> >> >I also agree with Lonna's well chosen words. >> > >> >In my selecting of emails to read on this list, I never skipped Ed's. It >> was self-interest on my part. Ed had a wonderful way of weaving respect, >> hope, and wonder into his words and work. I opened his emails with >> expectation. They were like gifts. >> > >> >Yes, we are in a new time. I am feeling grief and sadness for someone "I >> knew" on line. I am grateful for that limited "relationship" and confident >> of the significantly richer relationship enjoyed by Ed's family and friends. >> > >> >Roger Elrod >> >[log in to unmask] > >France is the only country with a 300m flagpole. >Gustave Eiffel on the Eiffel Tower > >"All people have two countries and one of them is France." Benjamin Franklin >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:40:15 -0500 >From: jhigbee <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Remembering Ed... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Not only did Ed contribute his humor and wisdom, and sometimes just >plain common sense, to the list, he also took alot of time to respond >off-list to people in need of a little lift, including me! I used to >tease my husband about my new penpal from Hawaii. Ed would write about >his biking, his night diving (scuba), and just make Hawaii come alive >for me! > >Awhile ago (who knows how long?), Ed had let me know that things were >just very hectic. Remember all the times he took on updating our >directory? If he was ill for an extended period, I surely wish I had >known! > >Jeanne Higbee >-- >Jeanne L. Higbee >Associate Professor >Division of Academic Assistance >The University of Georgia >233 Milledge Hall >Athens, GA 30602-5554 >Phone: (706) 542-0465 >FAX: (706) 542-0476 >E-mail: [log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:51:44 -0600 >From: David Arendale <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Supplemental Instruction National Survey >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Dear LRNASST and SInet Friends, > >We have just mailed out the first national Supplemental Instruction survey >to institutions in the United States. The survey was sent to everyone who >has attended a multi-day SI Supervisor workshop that was conducted by a >member of the UMKC SI staff or one of the official SI Certified Trainers. >A different version of the survey will be developed for SI programs outside >the U.S. and mailed in the next couple of months. > >If you receive a survey in the mail, I encourage you to complete it even if >you have discontinued the SI program. We have much to learn for both the >current and former users of SI. > >If you have a SI program and do NOT receive a survey, a version will be >placed on the SI homepage that you could complete and return. I will make >a posting about that in a few days. > >Thanks! > >-- David > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >David R. Arendale, Associate Director of CAD >University of Missouri-Kansas City, Center for Academic Development >5014 Rockhill Road, SASS #210, Kansas City, MO 64110-2499 USA >Internet: [log in to unmask] Voice (Work): 816-235-1197 >Fax (Work): 816-235-5156 Voice (Home): 913-789-8314 >NADE Homepage: http://www.umkc.edu/cad/nade.htm >CAD and SI Homepage: http://www.umkc.edu/cad/ >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:42:00 -1000 >From: Lianne Nagano <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I'm sorry that I did not respond earlier, but I needed to check with Ed's >family. If you would like to send any condolences, here is the family's >address: > > Mrs. Peggy Ketz > 3931 Pili Drive > Honolulu, HI 96816 > >We miss Ed so much in The Learning Center here at Honolulu Community >College. He provided major input into the development of our program. His >humor, ideas, and caring attitude toward students will be missed. > >--Lianne Nagano > >>------ =_NextPart_000_01BE21B9.38ED6160 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>Sorry I don't have any additional information. I am sure if you have his >>work address, someone could forward your message. >> >>Guy >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Annette Gourgey [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >>Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:43 AM >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: Wondering about Ed.... >> >>To Guy or anyone else who knows: >> >>Do you happen to have a home address for Ed's family? 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charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Ed Ketz's e-mail was > > [log in to unmask] > >Maureen Connolly >Elmhurst College > > > > > >jhigbee wrote: > >> Not only did Ed contribute his humor and wisdom, and sometimes just >> plain common sense, to the list, he also took alot of time to respond >> off-list to people in need of a little lift, including me! I used to >> tease my husband about my new penpal from Hawaii. Ed would write about >> his biking, his night diving (scuba), and just make Hawaii come alive >> for me! >> >> Awhile ago (who knows how long?), Ed had let me know that things were >> just very hectic. Remember all the times he took on updating our >> directory? If he was ill for an extended period, I surely wish I had >> known! >> >> Jeanne Higbee >> -- >> Jeanne L. Higbee >> Associate Professor >> Division of Academic Assistance >> The University of Georgia >> 233 Milledge Hall >> Athens, GA 30602-5554 >> Phone: (706) 542-0465 >> FAX: (706) 542-0476 >> E-mail: [log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:05:35 -0700 >From: Tracy <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: peer academic mentors >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hiya :) > >We do not exactly have what you are asking about, but we do have one or two >sophomore students who are assigned to EACH of our first year seminar >classes. Since our classes are not divided by academic major, our student >mentors are not assigned to particular sections based on their majors >either. These sophomore mentors receive one hour of internship credit for >their commitment and assist the faculty/staff mentor with running the class. >I could easily see this group of students being trained to instruct on >learning strategies. I have actually discussed with some people here >possibly training our mentors to review certain things like Cornell method >and the LASSI interpretation that we do each year. > >I hope that helps a little... > >Tracy > > > >>Hi folks, >> >>I've been lurking on this list for over a year, posting maybe once or twice >>in that time, and have enjoyed listening in on some high quality >>conversations. Now, I have a question... I tried to search the archive, >>and did an ERIC search, but could not find information, so here goes... >> >>I am interested in setting up a program for peers to serve as academic >>mentors for each other. I spend a good amount of time every year speaking >>to First Term Seminar classes, and working with individuals to do >>one-on-one time management sessions. This has gotten highly repetitive. >>AND, the First Term Seminar (FTS) director has put on his wish list that I >>go to EVERY FTS class next Fall- there are 46 of them! So I would like to >>look at starting a program that would have 2 or 3 sophamores or juniors >>serve as academic role models. They could visit some of these classes, >>work with the Intro Bio class, and meet one-on-one with students. I see a >>lot of benifits to this program- it would give the students some valuable >>experience (especially if they want to go into education) and underclass >>students would be more likely to come to the office to see a peer than to >>see me. These students would not be content tutors, they would work only >>on academic skills. >> >>Does anyone have a program like this? Is there literature that discusses >>this sort of program? If you know of such a program, can you tell me how >>it is organized, and what its strenghts and weaknesses are? I'd love to >>hear as much as you are willing to tell. >> >>Thanks for all your help. >> >>Rebecca >> >>************************* >>Rebecca Cory >>Academic Counselor >>Head Resident of Rundstrom Hall >>Gustavus Adolphus College >>800 W. College Ave >>Saint Peter, MN 56082 >>(507) 933-6124 >>[log in to unmask] >> >> > > ..::''''::.. Tracy R. Benner > .;'' :: ``;. Living-Learning Area Coordinator > :: :: :: Muskingum College > :: :: :: 163 Stormont St. > :: .::. :: New Concord, Ohio 43762 > :: .:'::':. :: Office: (740) 826-8088 > :: .:' :: ':. :: Fax: (740) 826-8093 > `;. :: .;' Email: [log in to unmask] > ``::,,,,::'' "Life is what happens while you're making other plans" >- John Lennon >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:35:52 EDT >From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Remembering Ed... > >Can we send condolences to his email?Lorraine > >> Ed Ketz's e-mail was >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Maureen Connolly >> Elmhurst College >> >> >> >> >> >> jhigbee wrote: >> >> > Not only did Ed contribute his humor and wisdom, and sometimes just >> > plain common sense, to the list, he also took alot of time to respond >> > off-list to people in need of a little lift, including me! I used to >> > tease my husband about my new penpal from Hawaii. Ed would write about >> > his biking, his night diving (scuba), and just make Hawaii come alive >> > for me! >> > >> > Awhile ago (who knows how long?), Ed had let me know that things were >> > just very hectic. Remember all the times he took on updating our >> > directory? If he was ill for an extended period, I surely wish I had >> > known! >> > >> > Jeanne Higbee >> > -- >> > Jeanne L. Higbee >> > Associate Professor >> > Division of Academic Assistance >> > The University of Georgia >> > 233 Milledge Hall >> > Athens, GA 30602-5554 >> > Phone: (706) 542-0465 >> > FAX: (706) 542-0476 >> > E-mail: [log in to unmask] >> >[log in to unmask] > >France is the only country with a 300m flagpole. >Gustave Eiffel on the Eiffel Tower > >"All people have two countries and one of them is France." Benjamin Franklin >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:56:46 -0700 >From: Patrick Schutz <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Speaking of Colloquial English... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > My favorites follow: > >1. Misuse of the word *seen*: As in "I seen the plane crash." > >2. Colloquial misuse of the word *all*: As in "I'm like all surprised that > you are like -- all worried about how I -- like speak!" (accent on > last word) > >3. Non-reverent use of the word *God* in everyday speech in reference to > mundane, non-spiritual matters: As in "Oh God. I forgot to put the milk in > the macaroni and cheese." > >Pat Schutz >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:20:04 EDT >From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Speaking of Colloquial English... > >How about the famous, "It is like um the ..." My students use this in >their oral presentations a great deal. > >How about "kinda sorta", "alls we do", and of course the dreaded use >of the word "ain't". Lorraine > >> My favorites follow: >> >> 1. Misuse of the word *seen*: As in "I seen the plane crash." >> >> 2. Colloquial misuse of the word *all*: As in "I'm like all surprised that >> you are like -- all worried about how I -- like speak!" (accent on >> last word) >> >> 3. Non-reverent use of the word *God* in everyday speech in reference to >> mundane, non-spiritual matters: As in "Oh God. I forgot to put the milk in >> the macaroni and cheese." >> >> Pat Schutz >> >[log in to unmask] > >France is the only country with a 300m flagpole. >Gustave Eiffel on the Eiffel Tower > >"All people have two countries and one of them is France." Benjamin Franklin >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:10:35 -1000 >From: "John M. Flanigan" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Speaking of Colloquial English... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >A new (used) TV set that I just installed has programmed channel. The >channel on which I usually watch CNN had, instead, MTV. It was presenting >a contest of teen models on a beach in Miami. Accompanied by a a rapper, >the models strutted their stuff on an outdoor runway flanked by screaming >teens and post-teens. > >In the spirit of anthropological curiousity, I watched for awhile and >noticed that the language of this cultural group relied heavily on the >phrases "out there," "like, real," "no way," and other such modern >colloquialisms. > >It occurred to me that most of my students would be much more likely to >emulate the behavior and speech they see there than the behavior I model >in the classroom--however superior (ahem!) my model might be. We may be >fighting a losing battle! > >John M. Flanigan <[log in to unmask]> The equation is the final arbiter. >Assistant Professor, Mathematics --Werner Heisenberg >Kapi'olani Community College The scoreboard is the final arbiter. >Honolulu, Hawaii --Bill Walton >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:50:22 -0500 >From: TSD99 <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Holiday song for the math lab >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The Twelve Days of Christmaths > > > On the first day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > A path in a covering tree > > On the second day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the third day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the fourth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the fifth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the sixth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the seventh day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the eighth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 8 Maps a-mapping > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the ninth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 9 Loops a-lifting > 8 Maps a-mapping > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the tenth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 10 Doctors droning > 9 Loops a-lifting > 8 Maps a-mapping > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the eleventh day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 11 Parallelopipeds > 10 Doctors droning > 9 Loops a-lifting > 8 Maps a-mapping > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. > > On the twelth day of Christmaths my true love sent to me > 12 Profs a-proving > 11 Parallelopipeds > 10 Doctors droning > 9 Loops a-lifting > 8 Maps a-mapping > 7 Sylow subgroups > 6 Games a-playing > 5 Goldie rings > 4 Fermat primes > 3 False proofs > 2 Tangent planes > And a path in a covering tree. >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:18:55 -0800 >From: Catalina Colaci <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Remembering Ed.... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Dear co-listers, >For those of you that would like to read again Ed's postings, you can do it >through the web. > >The LRNASST archives are accessible at ><http://listserv.ccit.arizona.edu/lsv/www/lrnasst.html> > >Once there,choose Search Archives, type "Ed Ketz" in the Author's window. >There are 243 messages starting Oct/94. > >Check them out, you may enjoy it..... CC > >At 08:15 AM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >>All this makes me regret not being a member of this list earlier so that I >>could have had a chance to read Ed's words. Thank you all for everything you >>post - it makes a difference in my day. >> >