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We use them as you describe. I've tried switching the order, one time using G as a pre-test and H as a post-test, then the reverse the next semester. In each case students seem to feel that the post-test, whichever form it is, is harder, though the overall gains are similar no matter which one is used as the post-test. I have about decided that they are always more fatigued at the point in the semester where we post-test (i.e. exams and papers in all courses) than they are when we pre-test. Thus whichever form we use when they are tired seems more difficult! I'll be interested to hear what others have observed. Pat Feldman Learning Enhancement Center Southern Methodist University Dallas, Texas On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Vince Orlando wrote: > Some of our faculty are using the Nelson Denny G and H as a pre-post test. > Of course we know there are problems with using this test this way but we > were wondering if anyone else is using them. If so have you found one to > be more difficult than the other? > > Vince Orlando >