Hello John, On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, John M. Flanigan wrote: > Am I the only one bothered by this train of thought? The students-not the > professor-are the best judges of pedagogy? *SNIP* I understand your point. Let me try and elaborate on my point to Steve. Steve's friend teaches logic. Some of his students were having difficulty learning/grasping that subject. Since learning is the issue, I suggested an approach to teaching the subject that has been proven to work well with some adult learners. In this case he was teaching logic; a difficult topic for some students. Personally, I had no trouble understanding logic when it was taught to me using the lecture method. I did, however, have difficulty understanding Quantitative Analysis when it was taught to me using the lecture method. Different students learn differently. Sometimes it is useful for a teacher to employ various methodologies if that teacher's goal is to maximize the potential for understanding. Perhaps I should have expatiated on my technique. It is based upon a maxim that I hold to be quite true: "If you really want to learn a subject, try teaching it." In this methodology, the student becomes a teacher. I didn't just give the students my lesson plans for that lesson and say "Have at it."; that would have been foolish. First,I gave them a whirlwind tour of cooperative learning techniques, with some teambuilding training for a foundation. Next, the students were put into learning groups, given a segment of the material, and instructed to read and teach each other that material -- all in a specified period of time. They had their textbooks, my teaching notes, and at least one person in the group was placed there because s/he could be counted on to have read the textbook material before class. The next step was for the students to discuss the material, check each other for understanding, and then to apply it by using as many relevant examples as possible. Then, their task was to find a manner in which to teach it to the rest of the class. I was the facilitator, if you will. As the groups presented their material (some used skits, some lecture, etc.) I made certain that all of the salient points were driven home. I was also cognizant of the positive reactions they exhibited whenever I praised them (liberally) for their understanding, and their creativity in finding ways to help the rest of us understand. Whenever I use this technique, I always summarize the material at the end of the class period in order to ensure closure and to make certain that the lesson was internalized by as many students as possible. This process is certainly time consuming, and definitely not for the professor who has an aversion to "performing" or orchestrating a complicated learning activity in the classroom. It is, however, efficacious for subjects that are essential, but difficult for some students to grasp. Can you imagine teaching advanced topics in philosophy when you know that some of the students do not truly understand logic? In my own case, the challenge comes in the form of attempting to teach the concept of "cognitive dissonance" to students in the context of how managers can recognize, from exhibited behaviors, why some people in organizations resist change or have ethical problems with some activity they are expected to engage in while performing certain duties for the organization. Whatever the topic, it seems that it is incumbent upon us to utilize ALL of the knowledge we have about learning and teaching in order to facilitate student understanding. In this long, drawn out monologue I have not written anything about levels of student motivation and I suspect that that is part of your point. I approach the students as if they are eager to learn the material and to find the jewels of wisdom that we can uncover together. What if they don't WANT to learn the material? Well, that's up to them. One thing is for sure with this type of gambit though, it's difficult for disinterested students to sleep or daydream when their peers are depending upon them to help them understand the subject. It has been proven over and over to me that this type of activity enhances the learning process of difficult subjects. Students do better on tests of the material after I use this approach than they do when I use other conventional methods. More importantly, they retain the knowledge AFTER the test. Additionally, they sometimes become more adept at learning OTHER difficult topics in the same subject. In some cases, the students generalize and apply the technique to topics and subjects in other disciplines. Adult learners are close, REAL close, to going out into the world and attempting to use the acquired knowledge from their college experience. In addition to being accomplished test-takers, I would hope that they are able to be proficient problem solvers and deep thinkers as a result of that experience. Amen. Class is ended. Go in peace. Pat Schutz