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yes another reason for immaturity is low academic standards in high schools
and colleges and lack of discipline in high schools and lack of academic
training. the more rigour we give students, the better they will behave as
they will not have time for nonsense. i think too much is emphasised on
developmental education and not enough on equal access to rigorous standards
in the high schools and in the colleges. it seems that in this country we no
longer strive for excellence because the left wing sees this as elitist, it is
not elitist, it is necessary for students to be successful and have better
employment opportunities. In France students in the lycee (high school) know
more than Americans in community colleges. In France there is little or no
developmental education and their education and literacy rate is 100%. all are
educated and no one is left out and misbehaviour in class is not tolerated. In
France, the instructor is boss and there is a power distance that helps
learning that is lost here in the US. France

===== Original Message From [log in to unmask] =====
>This is really strange but I seem to be encountering the opposite. Maybe it
has
>to do with the fact that we tighten the academic standards here, for
probation,
>and the students are well aware of that. Barb
>
>"Fernandez, Jody" wrote:
>
>> We have been discussing the same thing here.Immaturity and out-and-out
>> rudeness seem to have become the norm lately.
>>
>> Jody Fernandez
>> The University of South Florida
>> EDU 202M
>> 974-1054
>> [log in to unmask]
>> Visualize whirled peas.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Daryl Stephens [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>> > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:42 PM
>> > To:   [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject:      Student behavior in classes
>> >
>> > Recently several of my colleagues and I had noticed that there seems to
be
>> > a
>> > great deal more immature behavior than usual among our students this
>> > semester
>> > --mostly talking in class and coming in late or leaving early.  At our
>> > state
>> > developmental conference last week, I talked to instructors from several
>> > points in the state, and they had noticed the same problems--actually
>> > having to
>> > ask students to be quiet or leave the room if they were going to have
>> > non-content-related conversations during class.
>> >
>> > Is this a problem nationwide this year?  (I think this year's college
>> > freshmen
>> > are the group that were in fourth grade the last year I taught fifth
grade
>> > in
>> > another state, and I remember that bunch being less well-behaved than
most
>> > groups.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Daryl Stephens  <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Assistant Professor (math)
>> > Division of Developmental Studies
>> > East Tennessee State University
>> > Box 70620, Johnson City, TN 37614
>> > Office phone (423) 439-4676   Fax:  (423) 439-7446
>
>--
>Barbara M. Stout
>Supplemental Instructional Specialist
>Learning Skills Center
>The University of Pittsburgh
>311 Wm. Pitt Union
>Pittsburgh, PA 15260
>412-648-7920
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>
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