Let me assure you that we have very real staff/faculty issues on our campus; however, we have not YET encountered the problem of anyone insisting that we teach a class. Sometimes in the fall semester department chairs are desperate to find good instructors for some classes, and we are able to help them. But we have fewer classes in the spring, so we get a break. Any burnout problems are of our own making. I don't have any wonderful suggestions for you. I do remember a few years ago when this whole arrangement was new that one of the division chairs said, "It would be nice if you could teach one class a year. It would keep you in touch with the classroom." I tend to agree with him. Obviously, you haven't been able to sell that idea. Leta Tyhurst >>> Georgine Materniak <[log in to unmask]> 11/03/99 01:01PM >>> Leta, Have you encountered problems with burnout? This was a very real issue with my staff who had similar arrangements with math. They were full-time staff with the LSC and part-time instructors with the Math Dept. There was a real advantage in having LSC math specialist teach math courses because they intimately knew what was going on with students and the curriculum and the implications for our support services in math and the training of paraprofessionals who provide the services. However, after a few years of working full time and teach as an overload, inevitably the stress of juggling alll of this took its toll. When staff elected to not teach a math course for a term, we ran into real problems with the Math Department and Dean who insisted it should be an on-going part of their role. But no one was willing to actually include the teaching function as an integral part of their full-time job. They wanted it as an ongoing overload which I would not agree to. I'm really interested in this thread because it tackles real issues for those of us who are "staff" as opposed to faculty. We get caught between two worlds who can't agree on blending traditional boundaries. I'm interested in learning how others have solved the problem. Georgine Materniak University of Pittsburgh --On Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:47 AM -0600 Leta Tyhurst <[log in to unmask]> wrote:r > The math, writing, reading, and computer specialists in our center all > teach classes in their disciplines; however, it is not part of their job > descriptions, although their job descriptions say it is desirable. > Instead, they have staff positions in the center, and they teach as > adjuncts. Thus, they get separate compensation for teaching. I'm not > sure what persons you have to convince that this is desirable, but I > would start with one department chair. If you could convince one chair > to hire one person, you would be setting the precedent. Start with the > most user friendly chair in your institution, and be certain the staff > person has all the credentials of the faculty in that discipline and that > he/she will shine. A couple of our staff people now get first choice at > classes. Good luck! Leta Tyhurst > Learning Center Coordinator > Longview Community College (suburb of Kansas City, Missouri) > >>>> Elizabeth Bergman <[log in to unmask]> 11/02/99 11:27AM >>> > The math folks in our center feel adamant about adding teaching to their > job description. They would like to teach one math class per semester. > We are all staff. I agree with their proposal and wanted to do the same > myself, in my own area. My proposal was turned down, as theirs was. The > reasons given were that 1) there was not a faculty shortage, and 2) there > was no precedent and the staff/faculty status can't be mixed. (The second > reason was odd, since I myself have taught and one full-time faculty does > work a few hours per week in the center--and loves it.) > > I believe that teaching and working at the math center is good for > everyone. When it has been done, the faculty member's students come in > for help more than any other group of math students. Best of all, the math > specialist feels enriched by the classroom teaching experience and gains > insights into problems students are having. I know that a lot of learning > centers are staffed by faculty members and that others both teach and work > at the center. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to sell such a > proposal and how you've done it yourself?